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Junior football, what is the future?


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The SJFA should've bid to be the association covering all non league football in Scotland below the Highland and Lowland Leagues. However, that ship sailed long ago. It's difficult to see what relevance the association will have over the next few years. So much is devolved to the regions anyway.

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10 minutes ago, Cyclizine said:

The SJFA should've bid to be the association covering all non league football in Scotland below the Highland and Lowland Leagues. However, that ship sailed long ago. It's difficult to see what relevance the association will have over the next few years. So much is devolved to the regions anyway.

What we have at the moment four senior non-leagues as "direct reports" to the SFA;

SFA - EoS

SFA - SoS

SFA - HL

SFA - LL

Are they really going to accept this

SFA - SJFA - WoS

SFA - SJFA - EoS MkII

SFA - SJFA - NoS?

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I don’t see a west league is any different to a fife and Tayside league - are we really going to have 4 regional leagues under the lowland league? Can’t see it, but it’s not happening for at least a season anyway.

the juniors aren’t holding the aces here, their position is weak.

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1 hour ago, Isabel Goudie said:

You're right, so it was left to the clubs to say whether they think they meet it, interesting that my own club who were in the process of applying answered no, despite being ready to apply. Part of the process involves inspection and consultation I would have thought without that most of those clubs who said they met the criteria don't actually know.  The point was made that the document is ambiguous, but it still triggered a reaction which will be a motion I assume. 

Aye, it seems to have scared the sh+1t out of some folk...

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6 minutes ago, BS7 said:

I don’t see a west league is any different to a fife and Tayside league - are we really going to have 4 regional leagues under the lowland league? Can’t see it, but it’s not happening for at least a season anyway.

the juniors aren’t holding the aces here, their position is weak.

The East of Scotland League currently covers Fife, and Tayside is currenty part of the Highland catchment area.  A West of Scotland league would cover over half the population of the Central Belt and would absolutely deserve to be on a par with the East of Scotland league.

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10 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

The East of Scotland League currently covers Fife, and Tayside is currenty part of the Highland catchment area.  A West of Scotland league would cover over half the population of the Central Belt and would absolutely deserve to be on a par with the East of Scotland league.

Is the point maybe that if the SJFA come into the Pyramid as a body at tier 6, we’d have;

SJFA WoS

SJFA EoS

EoSFL

SoSFL

Four feeders to the LL, two of which cover the same geographical area.

 

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1 hour ago, craigkillie said:

The East of Scotland League currently covers Fife, and Tayside is currenty part of the Highland catchment area.  A West of Scotland league would cover over half the population of the Central Belt and would absolutely deserve to be on a par with the East of Scotland league.

There’s two fife teams - who are relatively recent recruits. If the eos is to be expected to accommodate the fife teams then it’s a flimsy step imho not to point at the very least the central Scotland teams interested in the pyramid in the direction of eos.

when the sjfa presents to all the clubs shortly - this is exactly the kind of logistic needs answered. I have zero expectation they will do this though because really the sjfa committee have no real commitment to the pyramid.

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Forgot kelty doh
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29 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

The East of Scotland League currently covers Fife, and Tayside is currenty part of the Highland catchment area.  A West of Scotland league would cover over half the population of the Central Belt and would absolutely deserve to be on a par with the East of Scotland league.

It would all things being equal. But they aren’t equal, there’s already leagues in place. 

As Burnie man says there’s already leagues in place covering the areas who got there first.

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3 minutes ago, BS7 said:
31 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

 

There’s one fife team - who are relatively recent recruits. If the eos is to be expected to accommodate the fife teams then it’s a flimsy step imho not to point at the very least the central Scotland teams interested in the pyramid in the direction of eos.

Err, Burntisland Shipyard would disagree with that.

Plus the EoS say:

"The Mission Statement for The East of Scotland Football League is "To Develop, Foster, Co-Ordinate and Sustain Association Football at Club and League level throughout Edinburgh, the Lothians, the Borders, Fife and Stirlingshire"

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The SJFA shouldn’t be allowed to take the west region and implant it as the WOSL, the west region needs to split into those who wish to join the pyramid and those who dont.

There are too many differing opinions and interests to find a workable alternative. You’ve already got Talbot fans talking about not accepting promotion, thus potentially blocking clubs from progressing etc, the EOSL would not allow the SJFA parity as that would create issues with the ESJFA and EOSL and they shouldn’t have to make concessions to suit someone turning up late to the party.

Let those who wish to remain junior proudly do so (with the absolute best wishes of everyone involved) and those who wish to join the pyramid in the west break away.

Allowing Johnstone and Robertson et al to get their hands on a new senior league would no doubt inject it with the ineptitude seen currently in the juniors. How can we trust nor expect them not to sabotage it with farcical measures like no fixture lists and clubs still playing league games in mid june when this is how they treat a level of football they supposedly hold dear to themselves?

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I think the HFL has to divide into two leagues and open itself up to applications if we are to see progress north of the Tay. HFL voted against this and any progress towards creating a pyramid up there has stalled.

 

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10 minutes ago, AMC13 said:

Would love to see Blackburn get in and be a success, you never know a potential Scottish Cup tie away could soon be on the cards.

We could resurrect the old Linlithgowshire Senior Cup, mind you I think it was last played for in the 1920's :lol:

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49 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

Err, Burntisland Shipyard would disagree with that.

Plus the EoS say:

"The Mission Statement for The East of Scotland Football League is "To Develop, Foster, Co-Ordinate and Sustain Association Football at Club and League level throughout Edinburgh, the Lothians, the Borders, Fife and Stirlingshire"

It was kelty I forgot but they are another recent recruit and I suspect the mission statement reflects the members, not dictates them.

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If 99 teams go the others have to follow. Remaining Junior would be the beginning of the end for those opting to stay.

West solution is relatively straightforward and could be achieved by transporting Leagues as they are structured for next season.

What a mess in the East though with Junior teams jumping ship and getting a jump on the others. Could have a situation where Linlithgow and Boness are in lower leagues than Dalkeith etc.

Goodness knows how all of the East teams could be integrated into a sensible structure combining EOSL and East Juniors and fitting them in at the appropriate level.

 

 

 

 

 

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This is now a everybody must leave the juniors post ..absolute garbage .if clubs want yo leave let them go .I would urge the beaks to expel any clubs turned down by the eosfl. As for clydebank the WEST region should show them the door .if they don't want to be junior goodbye . NOW LET THE REAL JUNIOR CLUBS CONTINUE IN SCOTLAND'S BIGGEST NON LEAGUE GRADE ..

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