Robert James Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: suppose nothing wrong as long as it telling it the way it is and not making stuff up. Anyone got a copy to show the standard email, or is it standard An SJFA e-mail which is apparently so secret that no-one dares to publish it, followed by irrelevant population comparisons between different towns, and claims/counter claims of unspecified lies, etc..............., we are talking about football on here, not about 'classified state secrets' which could put Scotland in dire peril ! What is it all about ? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 Just now, Beenzon-Toste said: WHAT???? You haven't been sent a copy???? Losing your touch. This copy? embarrassing stuff on a whole number of levels Dear All Pyramid Following the Scottish Junior F.A. statement of the 14th February 2020, the West Junior F.A. would confirm their direct engagement with George Fraser Chairman of the Lowland League. A meeting was held on Wednesday 19th February where the WJFA representatives presented a number of proposals for the Lowland League to consider in order to open up further meaningful discussions in order to reach a mutually beneficial solution. It is with bitter disappointment that we report our proposals have been rejected. We see the WJFA structure as a perfect bespoke solution to meet the Lowland League plans for the creation of a West of Scotland League which would fill the Pyramid void in the geographical West of the country. Contrary to some opinion the SJFA have throughout pyramid discussions played a proactive approach within the Pyramid Working Group (PWG), we have not walked away and are always willing to re-open talks. Despite numerous agreements/statements including definitive conclusions by the Scottish FA these have failed to be followed through and released within the public domain. These will released in due course. All Junior Clubs should feel badly let down that we have yet to be included within the SFA’s blue print for “Pyramid” more especially when this had been previously agreed. This has not been the fault of the SJFA or the WJFA. We have other options at our disposal and will implement these from today. We would advise all clubs that at this time they should keep their options open with regard to “Expressions of Interest”, this in no way has to be regarded as “raising the white flag”, far from it. It is to safe guard our member clubs in their desire to join the pyramid. It would be remiss of the West Junior F.A. not to advise on the foregoing. We can assure all member clubs that our resolve remains steadfast and that all that can be done will be done to ensure “no one is left behind”. It may be that the determination outcome lies outside the football authorities jurisdiction. A step we will consider if required to do so. West Junior F.A 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow-wee Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: And if you show me that on the census site I'll believe it. Right now all I've see is you saying that and Wikipedia without a credited source. Have you ever been in kilwinning ? Why don t you go and look for an official figure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Robert James said: An SJFA e-mail which is apparently so secret that no-one dares to publish it, followed by irrelevant population comparisons between different towns, and claims/counter claims of unspecified lies, etc..............., we are talking about football on here, not about 'classified state secrets' which could put Scotland in dire peril ! What is it all about ? So when someone puts up the content of the email , I'll comment on it. Until then I'll carry-on with 'irrelevant' population comparisons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow-wee Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: This copy? embarrassing stuff on a whole number of levels Dear All Pyramid Following the Scottish Junior F.A. statement of the 14th February 2020, the West Junior F.A. would confirm their direct engagement with George Fraser Chairman of the Lowland League. A meeting was held on Wednesday 19th February where the WJFA representatives presented a number of proposals for the Lowland League to consider in order to open up further meaningful discussions in order to reach a mutually beneficial solution. It is with bitter disappointment that we report our proposals have been rejected. We see the WJFA structure as a perfect bespoke solution to meet the Lowland League plans for the creation of a West of Scotland League which would fill the Pyramid void in the geographical West of the country. Contrary to some opinion the SJFA have throughout pyramid discussions played a proactive approach within the Pyramid Working Group (PWG), we have not walked away and are always willing to re-open talks. Despite numerous agreements/statements including definitive conclusions by the Scottish FA these have failed to be followed through and released within the public domain. These will released in due course. All Junior Clubs should feel badly let down that we have yet to be included within the SFA’s blue print for “Pyramid” more especially when this had been previously agreed. This has not been the fault of the SJFA or the WJFA. We have other options at our disposal and will implement these from today. We would advise all clubs that at this time they should keep their options open with regard to “Expressions of Interest”, this in no way has to be regarded as “raising the white flag”, far from it. It is to safe guard our member clubs in their desire to join the pyramid. It would be remiss of the West Junior F.A. not to advise on the foregoing. We can assure all member clubs that our resolve remains steadfast and that all that can be done will be done to ensure “no one is left behind”. It may be that the determination outcome lies outside the football authorities jurisdiction. A step we will consider if required to do so. West Junior F.A That's the one it tells me they are prepared to go to court to prevent a new West league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: This copy? embarrassing stuff on a whole number of levels Dear All Pyramid Following the Scottish Junior F.A. statement of the 14th February 2020, the West Junior F.A. would confirm their direct engagement with George Fraser Chairman of the Lowland League. A meeting was held on Wednesday 19th February where the WJFA representatives presented a number of proposals for the Lowland League to consider in order to open up further meaningful discussions in order to reach a mutually beneficial solution. It is with bitter disappointment that we report our proposals have been rejected. We see the WJFA structure as a perfect bespoke solution to meet the Lowland League plans for the creation of a West of Scotland League which would fill the Pyramid void in the geographical West of the country. Contrary to some opinion the SJFA have throughout pyramid discussions played a proactive approach within the Pyramid Working Group (PWG), we have not walked away and are always willing to re-open talks. Despite numerous agreements/statements including definitive conclusions by the Scottish FA these have failed to be followed through and released within the public domain. These will released in due course. All Junior Clubs should feel badly let down that we have yet to be included within the SFA’s blue print for “Pyramid” more especially when this had been previously agreed. This has not been the fault of the SJFA or the WJFA. We have other options at our disposal and will implement these from today. We would advise all clubs that at this time they should keep their options open with regard to “Expressions of Interest”, this in no way has to be regarded as “raising the white flag”, far from it. It is to safe guard our member clubs in their desire to join the pyramid. It would be remiss of the West Junior F.A. not to advise on the foregoing. We can assure all member clubs that our resolve remains steadfast and that all that can be done will be done to ensure “no one is left behind”. It may be that the determination outcome lies outside the football authorities jurisdiction. A step we will consider if required to do so. West Junior F.A 'Other options ' ? Vague. 'It may be that the determination outcome lies outside the football authorities jurisdiction. A step we will consider if required to do so.' Ooh, that's fighting talk !!! I'll chortle myself off to sleep on that note. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Just now, wow-wee said: That's the one it tells me they are prepared to go to court to prevent a new West league. Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Stuart. Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Stranraer 11,000, Kilwinning 16,000, not much difference. Of course Stranraer has a much larger catchment area ,as the only league club in Wigtownshire, pop 28,000 approx. No reason why the Shire shouldn't have a league club.I’ve spent a lot of time down around Newton Stewart and Wigtown/Bladnoch with work and it’s utterly depressing that I’ve yet to meet a single person that supports Stranraer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Pub League Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Oooft. tears, snotters and the toys right oot the pram there from the soon to be irrelevance of the Juniors. Bring on the legal challenge, case history would suggest that 20+ teams leaving the East means the "grade" doesn't have a leg to stand on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) Dear All Pyramid Following the Scottish Junior F.A. statement of the 14th February 2020, the West Junior F.A. would confirm their direct engagement with George Fraser Chairman of the Lowland League. A meeting was held on Wednesday 19th February where the WJFA representatives presented a number of proposals for the Lowland League to consider in order to open up further meaningful discussions in order to reach a mutually beneficial solution. - A rehashed option W which the WRJFA already rejected themselves when opting for option Z. It is with bitter disappointment that we report our proposals have been rejected. We see the WJFA structure as a perfect bespoke solution to meet the Lowland League plans for the creation of a West of Scotland League which would fill the Pyramid void in the geographical West of the country. - Well, you never saw that at the last PWG when you completely rejected that option which has been on the table for well over a year. Now all of a sudden it's a perfect solution when half your membership want to leave? laughable stuff. Contrary to some opinion the SJFA have throughout pyramid discussions played a proactive approach within the Pyramid Working Group (PWG), we have not walked away and are always willing to re-open talks. Despite numerous agreements/statements including definitive conclusions by the Scottish FA these have failed to be followed through and released within the public domain. These will released in due course. All Junior Clubs should feel badly let down that we have yet to be included within the SFA’s blue print for “Pyramid” more especially when this had been previously agreed. This has not been the fault of the SJFA or the WJFA. - Ah, the old "it's someone elses fault" when clearly that is complete bunkum. The SJFA have never been "pro-active" in these discussions. "All-in or none in". The WRJFA were never allowed to sit at PWG, and nobody from the WRJFA ever challenged that. We have other options at our disposal and will implement these from today. - Have you actually run these options past your member clubs? that's a pretty pertinent point. Where's the EGM to obtain approval? have the clubs even seen the proposal you presented to the LL? We would advise all clubs that at this time they should keep their options open with regard to “Expressions of Interest”, this in no way has to be regarded as “raising the white flag”, far from it. It is to safe guard our member clubs in their desire to join the pyramid. It would be remiss of the West Junior F.A. not to advise on the foregoing. - Have you asked your clubs for a mandate on this via an EGM? have the SJFA called an EGM? or is the management committee turning into a loose cannon? We can assure all member clubs that our resolve remains steadfast and that all that can be done will be done to ensure “no one is left behind”. It may be that the determination outcome lies outside the football authorities jurisdiction. A step we will consider if required to do so. - Some of your members want to leave, others want to stay, why are you not accepting this and still banging the "all-in or none in" drum, and now you're threatening what, legal action against the SFA, seriously? dear me, someone have a word with these bozos. West Junior F.A Edited February 28, 2020 by Burnie_man 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Just now, .Stuart. said: I’ve spent spent a lot of time down around Newton Stewart and Wigtown/Bladnoch with work and it’s utterly depressing that I’ve yet to meet a single person that supports Stranraer. I suppose their support mainly comes from the west end of the Shire, which is where more than half the population is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Legal action eh? brexit & jexit so have something in common after all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) So this has been going on since 2001. The clubs have been asking for access to the Pyramid through the Juniors. And when it appear as though that door is finally shut there's a veiled threat to stop other clubs finding their own access to the Pyramid? Edited February 28, 2020 by theesel1994 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, wow-wee said: That's the one it tells me they are prepared to go to court to prevent a new West league. Aye, I'm sure those clubs who want to join the WoSFL will be really chuffed their out of control management committee are trying that one. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Just now, Burnie_man said: This copy? embarrassing stuff on a whole number of levels Dear All Pyramid Following the Scottish Junior F.A. statement of the 14th February 2020, the West Junior F.A. would confirm their direct engagement with George Fraser Chairman of the Lowland League. A meeting was held on Wednesday 19th February where the WJFA representatives presented a number of proposals for the Lowland League to consider in order to open up further meaningful discussions in order to reach a mutually beneficial solution. It is with bitter disappointment that we report our proposals have been rejected. We see the WJFA structure as a perfect bespoke solution to meet the Lowland League plans for the creation of a West of Scotland League which would fill the Pyramid void in the geographical West of the country. Contrary to some opinion the SJFA have throughout pyramid discussions played a proactive approach within the Pyramid Working Group (PWG), we have not walked away and are always willing to re-open talks. Despite numerous agreements/statements including definitive conclusions by the Scottish FA these have failed to be followed through and released within the public domain. These will released in due course. All Junior Clubs should feel badly let down that we have yet to be included within the SFA’s blue print for “Pyramid” more especially when this had been previously agreed. This has not been the fault of the SJFA or the WJFA. We have other options at our disposal and will implement these from today. We would advise all clubs that at this time they should keep their options open with regard to “Expressions of Interest”, this in no way has to be regarded as “raising the white flag”, far from it. It is to safe guard our member clubs in their desire to join the pyramid. It would be remiss of the West Junior F.A. not to advise on the foregoing. We can assure all member clubs that our resolve remains steadfast and that all that can be done will be done to ensure “no one is left behind”. It may be that the determination outcome lies outside the football authorities jurisdiction. A step we will consider if required to do so. West Junior F.A Thanks BM, for both the e-mail, and for your compliment (ie I never ever had any "touch to lose" in the first place). Except perhaps as a once 'decent' player in non-league & university football (they once told me), back in the Sixties & Seventies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, GNU_Linux said: Legal action eh? brexit & jexit so have something in common after all I suppose when TJ is unemployed that'll be Texit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Stuart. Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Stand corrected. I should have scrolled down further. Must have been a hell of a housebuilding between 2001 and 2011.Kilwinning is mainly an affluent town...wit? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Wilson Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Che Dail said: Brilliant article - the Kilwinning chairman can see it - believable and talking very much like it's going to happen. Done deal! It's taken way longer for clubs to wake up and see TJ has been stringing them along for years but glad to see Kilwinning finally smelt the coffee. It had to be someone more than just Clydebank supporting the pyramid publicly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, .Stuart. said: Kilwinning is mainly an affluent town...wit? Clearly the bit you see when ye pass through on the train isn't the 'affluent' bit..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Stuart. Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Clearly the bit you see when ye pass through on the train isn't the 'affluent' bit..... [emoji6]My wife’s originally from that area. She and her pals used to call Whitehurst the posh bit just because they weren’t council houses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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