LongTimeLurker Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Extra team gets relegated from the EoS premier to accomodate the relegated club from the LL and numbers stay fixed at 16. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, the rambler said: Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere. If a West team is promoted to the LL and the relegated team is from the East, I presume the relegated East team drops into the EOSFL. Does this mean the top division EOSFL has an extra team for the following season or until such time as an East team is promoted and a West team is relegated? If the EoS Premier Division has a surplus of 16 they will relegate a 4th club. This would also mean extra promotion to the EoS Premier Division in some years where the reverse is true. EoS club promoted to the LL, LL relegated goes to the SoS/WoS. Edited April 1, 2020 by FairWeatherFan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) Have the moaners said *why* their football life is suddenly going to be awful in the WoSL? Thought not. Edited April 1, 2020 by cmontheloknow 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beenzon-Toste Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Have the moaners said *why* their football life is suddenly going to be awful in the WoSL? Thought not.Aye, c'mon, Glensmad, FairWeatherFan, parkcircus, etc, tell us why. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Have the moaners said *why* their football life is suddenly going to be awful in the WoSL? Thought not.Probably just because it won't be the juniors. Whatever that means. [emoji849] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Aye, c'mon, Glensmad, FairWeatherFan, parkcircus, etc, tell us why. He wasn't referring to us. Get up to speed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Beenzon-Toste said: 11 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: Have the moaners said *why* their football life is suddenly going to be awful in the WoSL? Thought not. Aye, c'mon, Glensmad, FairWeatherFan, parkcircus, etc, tell us why. That's more for the likes of yourself that has tended to be more pro-Junior than pro-Pyramid. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I don't think it should be underestimated that solidarity is still a deeply-held principle in many post-industrial communities in Scotland. Solidarity means you benefit from the collective strength of your people, but sometimes it requires you to do things you don't agree with or that don't benefit you personally, to keep the benefits of being part of that community. It means others sacrifice a bit of autonomy for you, and you do the same for them. I think we've seen this play out in the west, where there has been much, much stronger attempts to stick together and all move at once, or none at all. It's made the process slower but in the end it means they will all go. Other here might think that each club should be completely free and unfettered to decide whatever suits them best, but that's not a value-free opinion. It assumes clubs have lower obligations to each other than those in the West Juniors generally feel. Having lived in the east and the west of Scotland this is something I've noticed more generally. Each has its pros and cons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Beenzon-Toste said: 1 hour ago, Dev said: Another reason why the "old guard" which runs the current West Juniors organisation mustn't be allowed anywhere near a position of authority in the new league. Better get yourself all prepared for more heartbreak then. Really? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Hope Kennie Young stays aboard as he has been a breath of fresh air this season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Hope Kennie Young stays aboard as he has been a breath of fresh air this season.I don't think Kennie will be doing the fixtures next season. I believe there will be a season-long fixture list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, glensmad said: 5 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: Hope Kennie Young stays aboard as he has been a breath of fresh air this season. I don't think Kennie will be doing the fixtures next season. I believe there will be a season-long fixture list. Done by LL? Even within their structure there requires a bit of juggling. Kenny McLean (Hibee Jibee) can't do it all surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: Done by LL? Even within their structure there requires a bit of juggling. Kenny McLean (Hibee Jibee) can't do it all surely? If true, maybe it's thought with his experience of Conferences the last couple of years he's better prepared to manage it in the first year. Its also maybe a way to avoid filling the Secretary/Fixture Secretary type posts in the first year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beenzon-Toste Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 That's more for the likes of yourself that has tended to be more pro-Junior than pro-Pyramid.You've got me wrong then. I'm pro-Junior and pro-Pyramid. It is possible to be both.I believe it's time to accept what's going to come about and time to put all the ill feelings and bitterness aside and work together to make this the best that it can be. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beenzon-Toste Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Really?Yes, really. Where do you think the new management is going to come from? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said: If the EoS Premier Division has a surplus of 16 they will relegate a 4th club. This would also mean extra promotion to the EoS Premier Division in some years where the reverse is true. EoS club promoted to the LL, LL relegated goes to the SoS/WoS. Unless the rules are different from the Lowland League, there would never be an extra promotion, but rather one fewer relegation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowland team Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Its a board that will be made up from within the league members that will ultimately oversee the the wosfl.these members need to be proposed and seconded every club will have a vote.for the candidate they wish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Unless the rules are different from the Lowland League, there would never be an extra promotion, but rather one fewer relegation. They are different as the EoSFL doesn't have to consider licencing. If the playoffs above sees the EoS Premier end up with 17 cubs then 4th bottom is relegated. If the playoffs above see the EoS Premier end up with 15 clubs then a 4th club is promoted from the EoS First. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: Done by LL? Even within their structure there requires a bit of juggling. Kenny McLean (Hibee Jibee) can't do it all surely? Think it's better to have one person coordinating things between the LL and the three feeders given the complexity caused by trying to have season long league fixture lists while having multiple cup competitions that require fixed dates across all four leagues. It's not like the juniors has traditionally been where the SJC took priority and everything else could get shunted about region by region at short notice to try to keep most teams playing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondOwl Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I'm hoping that the article providing the views of the Wishaw Juniors secretary is only partially true. That is: Things are going to be very financially challenging in the short to medium term. Sadly, I think we all know that is true, particularly for the smaller clubs. But the bit about having to join the new league is, I hope, a red herring and that talks are ongoing with some other teams and the ERSJFA about expanding the East region and perhaps renaming it. It's too depressing to believe that ALL the junior clubs are going to kill off junior football in the West of Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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