cmontheloknow Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 PPG is PPG, you don't arse about with home and away differences. IMO. Ave PPG can't ever be above 3 (as that kind of defeats the purpose of it!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Adding the two together is a bit unfair - imagine a team had won all of their home games but hadn't played any away games. They'd be able to get a maximum total of 3 despite clearly being better than that. It's maybe not an ideal solution but it's a bit of a moot point unless the season had been curtailed much earlier than it was. Two-thirds of the way through the season as the vast majority of teams were, nobody would have failed to play at least a decent proportion of their home or away games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmparkheroes Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Yeah I see what you mean but I think the fact they're currently tier 6 and not moving into it will see them be first seed. It wont make much difference either way. Out of curiosity what position in the west region do you think Bonnyton would be in if they were playing their currently? West Region Championship/League One sorta area? I’ve never been to a SoSL game never mind a Bonnyton one. I’d probably be doing them a disservice if I was to even hazard a guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, holmparkheroes said: I’ve never been to a SoSL game never mind a Bonnyton one. I’d probably be doing them a disservice if I was to even hazard a guess. If this thread isn't about baseless speculation and doing a disservice to others I don't know what it is for 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmparkheroes Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: If this thread isn't about baseless speculation and doing a disservice to others I don't know what it is for Aye, ok, old Ayrshire second ️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, holmparkheroes said: I’ve never been to a SoSL game never mind a Bonnyton one. I’d probably be doing them a disservice if I was to even hazard a guess. The better SoSL sides are on a par with the Championship, the poorer ones on a par with your Ardeers etc... Would expect Bonnyton to settle into the middle two divisions assuming we end up with 4 eventually (like we have just now). (I have been to some SOS games). Bonnyton are a very young team, most players under 23. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just now, cmontheloknow said: The better SoSL sides are on a par with the Championship, the poorer ones on a par with your Ardeers etc... Would expect Bonnyton to settle into the middle two divisions assuming we end up with 4 eventually (like we have just now). (I have been to some SOS games). Bonnyton are a very young team, most players under 23. If I remember right they lost a few players from the squad that finished second the previous season. So probably in a bit of a transition with their focus on brining through their own youth players. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said: If I remember right they lost a few players from the squad that finished second the previous season. So probably in a bit of a transition with their focus on brining through their own youth players. Yeah 4 or 5 ended up Junior, Maybole, Girvan, Craigmark, Annbank. A good indicator of their level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Marten said: It will be interesting to see how they seed Bonnyton, it would be a bit unfair to them to seed them 64th together with the 3 lowest League Two teams. Having 4 amateurs (providing all get accepted) will make it easy in the case of 4 conferences, just add one to each conference. I considered that as well - but if there's four conferences it doesn't actually matter whether Bonnyton are 1st or 64th in the big list of clubs before they are split, they are with the same set of clubs in either case As for the differences in Pos v PPG for seeding, I'd put together this table but was beaten by @Dev however it has a column showing the difference between actual positions and PPG. Pos Pos PPG Diff Club Pl Pts PPG Conf Pos Conf PPG 3 1 2 Auchinleck Talbot 16 41 2.56 C A 1 2 -1 Kilwinning Rangers 25 53 2.12 A B 2 3 -1 Pollok 22 42 1.91 B C 6 4 2 Glenafton Athletic 20 36 1.80 B D 4 5 -1 Irvine Meadow XI 22 38 1.73 D A 7 6 1 Beith Juniors 21 34 1.62 C B 12 7 5 Hurlford United 19 29 1.53 D C 8 8 0 Kilbirnie Ladeside 24 33 1.38 D D 5 9 -4 Clydebank 28 37 1.32 A A 9 10 -1 Cumnock Juniors 25 32 1.28 A B 10 11 -1 Rossvale 25 32 1.28 B C 11 12 -1 Largs Thistle 25 31 1.24 C D 14 13 1 Benburb 20 19 0.95 B A 13 14 -1 Troon 24 22 0.92 A B 15 15 0 Rutherglen Glencairn 17 12 0.71 C C 16 16 0 Kirkintilloch Rob Roy 17 6 0.35 D D 3 1 2 Blantyre Victoria 18 46 2.56 C A 1 2 -1 Darvel 21 53 2.52 A B 2 3 -1 Cumbernauld United 22 47 2.14 B C 5 4 1 Shotts Bon Accord 18 34 1.89 A D 4 5 -1 Renfrew 23 42 1.83 D A 7 6 1 Neilston Juniors 18 31 1.72 C B 9 7 2 Kilsyth Rangers 16 26 1.63 A C 10 8 2 Dalry Thistle 17 23 1.35 B D 6 9 -3 Arthurlie 23 31 1.35 B A 8 10 -2 Whitletts Victoria 23 27 1.17 D B 11 11 0 Gartcairn Juniors 21 21 1.00 C C 13 12 1 St Roch's 18 18 1.00 A D 12 13 -1 Petershill 21 20 0.95 D A 14 14 0 Cambuslang Rangers 21 17 0.81 B B 15 15 0 Craigmark Burntonians 22 17 0.77 C C 16 16 0 Irvine Victoria 24 13 0.54 D D 3 1 2 Shettleston 19 43 2.26 C A 1 2 -1 Ardrossan Winton Rov. 22 44 2.00 A B 2 3 -1 Lanark United 23 44 1.91 B C 4 4 0 Port Glasgow Juniors 24 43 1.79 D D 5 5 0 Lesmahagow Juniors 25 42 1.68 A A 10 6 4 Bellshill Athletic 19 31 1.63 B B 6 7 -1 Greenock Juniors 22 35 1.59 B C 8 8 0 Glasgow Perthshire 21 32 1.52 D D 9 9 0 Larkhall Thistle 22 32 1.45 A A 7 10 -3 Carluke Rovers 26 33 1.27 C B 11 11 0 Girvan 19 24 1.26 C C 12 12 0 Maryhill 21 23 1.10 D D 13 13 0 Kello Rovers 21 21 1.00 A A 14 14 0 Wishaw Juniors 19 18 0.95 B B 15 15 0 East Kilbride Thistle 21 17 0.81 C C 16 16 0 Royal Albert 22 10 0.45 D D 5 1 4 Johnstone Burgh 14 39 2.79 A A 3 2 1 Muirkirk Juniors 19 42 2.21 C B 6 3 3 Ashfield 17 37 2.18 B C 1 4 -3 Vale of Leven 24 47 1.96 A D 2 5 -3 Yoker Athletic 22 42 1.91 B A 7 6 1 Thorniewood United 19 35 1.84 C B 8 7 1 Forth Wanderers 18 33 1.83 D C 4 8 -4 Maybole Juniors 23 40 1.74 D D 9 9 0 Annbank United 22 32 1.45 A A 10 10 0 Vale of Clyde 21 29 1.38 B B 11 11 0 St Anthony's 20 26 1.30 C C 13 12 1 Newmains United 19 16 0.84 A D 12 13 -1 Saltcoats Victoria 24 16 0.67 D A 14 14 0 Lugar Boswell Thistle 21 8 0.38 B B 15 15 0 Ardeer Thistle 23 2 0.09 C C 1 Bonnyton Thistle D D 2 Glasgow University A A 3 Drumchapel B B 4 TBA C C 5 TBA D D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ginaro said: I considered that as well - but if there's four conferences it doesn't actually matter whether Bonnyton are 1st or 64th in the big list of clubs before they are split, they are with the same set of clubs in either case Bonnyton would only be in the same set of teams if you used serpentine order. Which wasn't the way the EoSFL did the Conferences in 2018-19. If they just go A-B-C-D-A-B-C-D. Bonnyton would either be in Conference A or Conference D. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said: Bonnyton would only be in the same set of teams if you used serpentine order. Which wasn't the way the EoSFL did the Conferences in 2018-19. If they just go A-B-C-D-A-B-C-D. Bonnyton would either be in Conference A or Conference D. Yeah their conference letter would change if you put them at the top, but then wouldn't everyone else just be bumped down so the teams stay the same? There's two splitting methods - sequential (A-B-C-D-A-B-C-D etc as I used above) or snake (A-B-C-D-D-C-B-A etc) - EOS used sequential, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ginaro said: Yeah their conference letter would change if you put them at the top, but then wouldn't everyone else just be bumped down so the teams stay the same? There's two splitting methods - sequential (A-B-C-D-A-B-C-D etc as I used above) or snake (A-B-C-D-D-C-B-A etc) - EOS used sequential, right? EOS went sequential. So class them 1st overall seed = A. Class them 64th they're = D. Snake/Serpentine would go back on itself so that 1st and 64th are Conference A. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: EOS went sequential. So class them 1st overall seed = A. Class them 64th they're = D. Snake/Serpentine would go back on itself so that 1st and 64th are Conference A. I don't dispute any of that But what I'm saying is that the letter may change but the clubs in their Conference will not - they'll still have Glenafton, Kilbirnie, Largs etc. no matter if they are ranked 1 or 64 (assuming sequential like the EOS). Club BT #64 BT #1 Bonnyton Thistle D A Auchinleck Talbot A B Kilwinning Rangers B C Pollok C D Glenafton Athletic D A Irvine Meadow XI A B Beith Juniors B C Hurlford United C D Kilbirnie Ladeside D A Clydebank A B Cumnock Juniors B C Rossvale C D Largs Thistle D A Benburb A B Troon B C Rutherglen Glencairn C D 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmparkheroes Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Maybe better waiting to see if 68 get in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Hurry up LL and announce constitution of new league to save page upon page of tables and different permutations on how conferences should be arrived at. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 hours ago, bigdaddieb said: Something wrong in your calculation with Bellshill, We have 31 points but when its split to home and away the total listed is only 25? Thanks very much indeed. Human error - on my part. If there are any other errors please advise so I can put right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 hours ago, bigdaddieb said: Sorry Dev, have the correct PPG just the wrong figure for home points. 18 points won at home Got it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 hours ago, craigkillie said: Adding the two together is a bit unfair - imagine a team had won all of their home games but hadn't played any away games. They'd be able to get a maximum total of 3 despite clearly being better than that. 2 hours ago, craigkillie said: Adding the two together is a bit unfair - imagine a team had won all of their home games but hadn't played any away games. They'd be able to get a maximum total of 3 despite clearly being better than that. Every system would be unfair to one or more clubs and some have only played 5 or 6 Away matches. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieb Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, Ginaro said: I don't dispute any of that But what I'm saying is that the letter may change but the clubs in their Conference will not - they'll still have Glenafton, Kilbirnie, Largs etc. no matter if they are ranked 1 or 64 (assuming sequential like the EOS). Club BT #64 BT #1 Bonnyton Thistle D A Auchinleck Talbot A B Kilwinning Rangers B C Pollok C D Glenafton Athletic D A Irvine Meadow XI A B Beith Juniors B C Hurlford United C D Kilbirnie Ladeside D A Clydebank A B Cumnock Juniors B C Rossvale C D Largs Thistle D A Benburb A B Troon B C Rutherglen Glencairn C D That only applies if the sorting is sequential, not if it's serpentine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 It really doesn't matter a great deal as the 4 divisions will be very evenly matched anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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