AlanCamelonfan Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: Think it will only be confirmed one way or the other after they have their meeting. Let them apply for west get rejected and forced to stay junior 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 ^^^^The seethe is strong in this one. Alternatively, they could apply to both the EoS and LL/WoS and see what happens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Does this apply across the country then? Luncarty are North of the line are they unwelcome in the EOS? Or is that different?? Fauldhouse are a West Lothian club, and have been since the 1930's, as are Livingston and Pumpherston, as are Blackburn and Linlithgow. Should there be no demarcation line between regions and allow clubs to move between EoS and WoS as they wish? Do we have Blackburn in the EoS and Livingston in the WoS? Should Linlithgow have the opportunity to hop over the the WoS? Can you perhaps understand why this might lead to a few issues? The Tayside clubs would be battering down doors shouting foul and the SFA could renew interest in how this is being conducted, and that wouldn't be good. Two miles or 20 miles is immaterial, if there are regional leagues there also has to be a definition of what area the respective leagues cover, otherwise we have chaos and confusion. The traditional Junior boundaries between Lanarkshire and West Lothian are already accepted boundaries. Keep it simple. Tweedmouth are a red herring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I think first of all a WOS should be set up and let the LL and EOS decide who is allowed in or not. I will say regarding borders, there are teams who benefit and teams who do not. Dunipace for example are a team who can join the WOS or the EOS because of their location. I haven't looked into detail about the rest but think Kello would be the same. I think there should be borders but it should be fluid meaning a team 2 miles from a border can go into the other league. One reason for example; A team could be in the boundary of EOS but the nearest team to them are 20 miles away but on the WOS there would be teams 3 miles away, like a few of them, it would only be right if they were only two miles of so outside the boundary to be allowed in the WOS. WOS and EOS were just added hypothetically. This is my viewpoint and stated this about 8 months ago on this thread in regards to a boundry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: Let them apply for west get rejected and forced to stay junior If they decide to leave Junior football I hope they join the EoS next season, along with the rest of their local WL clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestman54 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 12 hours ago, RedEd said: Somebody wants to tell these reporters that there is no such thing as the SFL pyramid. Probably getting their info from TJ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 Just now, Griffin said: Does this apply across the country then? Luncarty are North of the line are they unwelcome in the EOS? Or is that different?? As has been debated on here recently, the village of Luncarty straddles the HL/LL line with the ground in the northern part of the village. If they want to join the EoS then a bit of common sense should be applied. The same situation with Harthill, village just inside North Lanarkshire but ground 20 yards into WL, if they wanted WoS then IMO they should be allowed. There will always be genuine exceptions to the rule which need to be considered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 So if we hit the post on Saturday can we count that as a goal then? Common sense seems to only apply when it suits. If they are North of the line and there can be no special cases for East West movement why can it be adjusted to suit selected Northerly teams. If there is a special case made surely this opens the door for all clubs to move to suit their own agenda. North South East West. I have no issue with Lincarty by the way they are a good club with decent facilities. As has been debated on here recently, the village of Luncarty straddles the HL/LL line with the ground in the northern part of the village. If they want to join the EoS then a bit of common sense should be applied. The same situation with Harthill, village just inside North Lanarkshire but ground 20 yards into WL, if they wanted WoS then IMO they should be allowed. There will always be genuine exceptions to the rule which need to be considered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: One reason for example; A team could be in the boundary of EOS but the nearest team to them are 20 miles away but on the WOS there would be teams 3 miles away, like a few of them, it would only be right if they were only two miles of so outside the boundary to be allowed in the WOS. WOS and EOS were just added hypothetically. This is my viewpoint and stated this about 8 months ago on this thread in regards to a boundry There are no clubs in WL 20 miles from another club. Clubs in WL are quite close together, in a 15 mile radius of Blackburn there's around a dozen. We're only just over 5 miles from the Lanarkshire boundary, and about the same distance from Fauldhouse. Whitburn is closer, Harthill right on it. Stoneyburn not far from it. Livingston is only 10 miles from North Lanarkshire. So where do you draw the line to maintain geographical integrity? I knew the salt n sauce line would cause a stir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 Just now, Griffin said: So if we hit the post on Saturday can we count that as a goal then? Common sense seems to only apply when it suits. If they are North of the line and there can be no special cases for East West movement why can it be adjusted to suit selected Northerly teams. If there is a special case made surely this opens the door for all clubs to move to suit their own agenda. North South East West. I have no issue with Lincarty by the way they are a good club with decent facilities. What special case? let us know and we can perhaps debate it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I just don't see what any clubs gain by opting out. Bathgate Thistle as it stands will NEVER play Linlithgow or Bo'ness again (the real ones, not the tribute act(s)) in a competitive match. If for example Ladeside and Greenock cling onto TAJ's coat tails, they would forever be waving goodbye to local rivalries - or until such point they changed their mind and came in - belatedly and therefore likely at a lower level. "Take that, face!" he said, cutting off his own nose to spite it.That’s certainly true of Kilbirnie but Greenock’s only shan ‘rivalry’ is with the Port. Neither club would be even remotely relevant in a senior setup and are exactly the sort of teams that are better off staying under a rump junior association, assuming it doesn’t completely implode of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Griffin said: So if we hit the post on Saturday can we count that as a goal then? Common sense seems to only apply when it suits. If they are North of the line and there can be no special cases for East West movement why can it be adjusted to suit selected Northerly teams. If there is a special case made surely this opens the door for all clubs to move to suit their own agenda. North South East West. I have no issue with Lincarty by the way they are a good club with decent facilities. Luncarty as a village is in the boundary its cause the ground is just over it.and neighbour's jeanfield and kinnoull are in eosfl scone could be. Where as fauldhouse could in wosfl and whitburn in east. It's about making logical sense 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: ^^^^The seethe is strong in this one. Alternatively, they could apply to both the EoS and LL/WoS and see what happens. Or if most of the Fife teams do make the move then the WL clubs may apply to the WRSJFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Griffin said: Does this apply across the country then? Luncarty are North of the line are they unwelcome in the EOS? Or is that different?? Beyond their public statement Griff any idea what Newburgh are thinking? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Fauldhouse are a West Lothian club, and have been since the 1930's, as are Livingston and Pumpherston, as are Blackburn and Linlithgow. Should there be no demarcation line between regions and allow clubs to move between EoS and WoS as they wish? Do we have Blackburn in the EoS and Livingston in the WoS? Should Linlithgow have the opportunity to hop over the the WoS? Can you perhaps understand why this might lead to a few issues? The Tayside clubs would be battering down doors shouting foul and the SFA could renew interest in how this is being conducted, and that wouldn't be good. Two miles or 20 miles is immaterial, if there are regional leagues there also has to be a definition of what area the respective leagues cover, otherwise we have chaos and confusion. The traditional Junior boundaries between Lanarkshire and West Lothian are already accepted boundaries. Keep it simple. Tweedmouth are a red herring.Hypothetical as it may be you are the person who posted this.However you seem to want to allow flexibility where Luncarty are concerned. If 200 yards or so doesnt matter how far are you advocating this can be extended to? 1 mile? 2 miles? Or is it to be decided on a club by club arbritary basis?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, virginton said: That’s certainly true of Kilbirnie but Greenock’s only shan ‘rivalry’ is with the Port. Neither club would be even remotely relevant in a senior setup and are exactly the sort of teams that are better off staying under a rump junior association, assuming it doesn’t completely implode of course. Yet Greenock and Largs trade players / coaches season after season. The purpose of the pyramid is to bring all clubs together - and 'senior' is a crappy title anyway. It's just football. Edited February 13, 2020 by cmontheloknow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Hypothetical as it may be you are the person who posted this.However you seem to want to allow flexibility where Luncarty are concerned. If 200 yards or so doesnt matter how far are you advocating this can be extended to? 1 mile? 2 miles? Or is it to be decided on a club by club arbritary basis??Direction would be good. I think the geographical integrity line will give this when decisions are made over who plays where.From what I know of the eos and LL they will keep it simple.Those north of the line sadly fall north of the line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Beyond their public statement Griff any idea what Newburgh are thinking? No decisions made yet. We dont want to rush into anything until we are sure we are making the right decision for the club. Grade is not something we are tied up in. It is about making sure we are sustainable and able to continue playing competitive football for another 110 years as a club 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Just now, Griffin said: No decisions made yet. We dont want to rush into anything until we are sure we are making the right decision for the club. Grade is not something we are tied up in. It is about making sure we are sustainable and able to continue playing competitive football for another 110 years as a club You need opponents for that! Not quite sure how playing EoS is any less sustainable than Junior. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Just now, cmontheloknow said: You need opponents for that! Not quite sure how playing EoS is any less sustainable than Junior. Because they have to go to tweedmouth. Which they may not 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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