tamthebam Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 East Stirlingshire Football Club played their 4000th League game in the Lowland League today. They lost of course (3-4 to Broomhill) Here's an old Shire picture what I googled 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 anent Christmas: the last game in Scotland played on Christmas Day: if you'd been bad Santa brought you tickets for it... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 This came up on a NZ site in a tribute to Bobby Charlton’s passing. Manchester United toured Australia and New Zealand in 1967 at a similar time to the Scotland tour. These links are to the programmes for their games in Auckland against an Auckland select and Christchurch against New Zealand. Man U won 8-1 in Auckland and 11-0 in Christchurch. The NZ Scottish connection In both games was Tom McNab ex Partick Thistle and East Stirling and George Lamont born in Alexandria who was 21 at the time but no record of any Scottish clubs. https://issuu.com/friendsoffootballnz/docs/auckland_v_manchester_united_28_may_1967/14?ff https://issuu.com/friendsoffootballnz/docs/mew_zealand_v_manchester_united_31_may_1967/1?ff 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 17 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: It's been discussed before, but Third Lanark v Dundee was an established game of Christmas Day in Glasgow every year literally for decades 14 times between 1905 and 1928 although the 1923 game was abandoned. It and could have been more if Dundee hadn’t pulled out of the league along with Aberdeen during WW1 and Third Lanark spending 3 seasons in Division 2. They also met 3 times in Glasgow on Boxing Day (1904, 1910, 1932). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 On 20/10/2023 at 18:50, Dundee Hibernian said: The bottom pic looks like an icy surface, not waterlogged. Possibly a completely different day. Knew I’d seen it before. It’s in Norrie Price’s book Up Wi’ The Bonnets and it’s from the early 1950’s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Eednud said: 14 times between 1905 and 1928 although the 1923 game was abandoned. It and could have been more if Dundee hadn’t pulled out of the league along with Aberdeen during WW1 and Third Lanark spending 3 seasons in Division 2. They also met 3 times in Glasgow on Boxing Day (1904, 1910, 1932). Christmas Day having fallen on a Sunday. Third Lanark matches on Christmas Day (or Boxing Day where Christmas Day fell on a Sunday) Mon 26 Dec 1904 3,000 Third Lanark 2-2 Dundee Mon 25 Dec 1905 3,200 Third Lanark 1-2 Dundee Tue 25 Dec 1906 5,500 Third Lanark 2-0 Dundee Wed 25 Dec 1907 8,000 Third Lanark 1-1 Dundee Fri 25 Dec 1908 7,000 Third Lanark 2-1 Dundee Sat 25 Dec 1909 12,000 Third Lanark 0-2 Dundee Mon 26 Dec 1910 7,000 Third Lanark 2-0 Dundee Mon 25 Dec 1911 10,000 Third Lanark 1-0 Dundee Wed 25 Dec 1912 8,000 Third Lanark 4-1 Dundee Thu 25 Dec 1913 10,000 Third Lanark 2-1 Dundee Fri 25 Dec 1914 4,000 Third Lanark 7-0 Dundee Sat 25 Dec 1915 10,000 Third Lanark 1-3 Hearts regular league card 1916 no games 1917 no games 1918 no games Thu 25 Dec 1919 16,000 Third Lanark 2-0 Dundee Sat 25 Dec 1920 18,000 Third Lanark 1-2 Queen's Park regular league card Mon 26 Dec 1921 5,000 Third Lanark 3-1 Morton also Rangers 2-1 Dundee (12,000) Mon 25 Dec 1922 5,000 Third Lanark 2-0 Dundee Tue 25 Dec 1923 6,000 Third Lanark 3A5 Dundee Thu 25 Dec 1924 18,000 Third Lanark 3-0 Dundee Fri 25 Dec 1925 6,000 Clyde 1-0 Third Lanark Third Lanark in Division Two Sat 25 Dec 1926 5,000 Third Lanark 2-0 Nithsdale regular league card 1927 no games Tue 25 Dec 1928 7,000 Third Lanark 1-2 Dundee Wed 25 Dec 1929 5,000 Third Lanark 2-2 Clydebank Third Lanark in Division Two Thu 25 Dec 1930 no game by Third Lanark Fri 25 Dec 1931 no game by Third Lanark Mon 26 Dec 1932 5,000 Third Lanark 1-1 Dundee Mon 25 Dec 1933 no game by Third Lanark Tue 25 Dec 1934 no game by Third Lanark Wed 25 Dec 1935 frozen Third Lanark P-P Rangers Fri 25 Dec 1936 no game by Third Lanark Sat 25 Dec 1937 30,000 Third Lanark 3-0 Hearts regular league card Mon 26 Dec 1938 no game by Third Lanark 1939 no games 1940 no games 1941 no games 1942 no games Sat 25 Dec 1943 Rangers 3-1 Third Lanark regular league card 1944 no games Tue 25 Dec 1945 no game by Third Lanark Wed 25 Dec 1946 5,000 Third Lanark 5-3 Clyde Dundee in Division B Thu 25 Dec 1947 8,000 Third Lanark 3-2 Aberdeen also Dundee 1-3 Rangers (25,000) Sat 25 Dec 1948 31,500 Third Lanark 1-1 Hearts regular league card 1949 no games 1950 no games Tue 25 Dec 1951 no game by Third Lanark Thu 25 Dec 1952 12,000 Third Lanark 3-1 Partick 1953 no games Sat 25 Dec 1954 6,000 Third Lanark 4-1 Morton regular league card Mon 26 Dec 1955 no game by Third Lanark Tue 25 Dec 1956 no game by Third Lanark Wed 25 Dec 1957 no game by Third Lanark 1958 no games 1959 no games Mon 26 Dec 1960 no game by Third Lanark 1961 no games 1962 no games 1963 no games 1964 no games Sat 25 Dec 1965 1,617 Airdrieonians 3-3 Third Lanark regular league card Mon 26 Dec 1966 3,737 Morton 6-0 Third Lanark Third Lanark in Division Two Edited October 22, 2023 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddie Holly Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 13 hours ago, tamthebam said: anent Christmas: the last game in Scotland played on Christmas Day: if you'd been bad Santa brought you tickets for it... there were lots of christmas gifts exchanged between the fans,mainly bottles and bricks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Buddie Holly said: there were lots of christmas gifts exchanged between the fans,mainly bottles and bricks Yeah absolutely . This match has been discussed a few times on here before. Match reports and photos are available on the thread. Good times. Different era. Probably one of the best seasons to be a Saints fan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 10 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Tue 25 Dec 1923 6,000 Third Lanark 3A5 Dundee According to the Deearchive the abandoned Christmas Day game was 1-1 although it isn’t mentioned in the list of abandoned games in Up Wi’ The Bonnets. 3-5 was the result when game was rearranged in February. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 10 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Christmas Day having fallen on a Sunday. Third Lanark matches on Christmas Day (or Boxing Day where Christmas Day fell on a Sunday) Mon 26 Dec 1904 3,000 Third Lanark 2-2 Dundee This is great stuff. Is this from your own records? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said: What is / are the occasion (s) please ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Ewanandmoreagain said: What is / are the occasion (s) please ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 49 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Cheers ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 A 37-38 year old Ian Archer during his glory years when he briefly presented Scotsport in 1981. He would pass away 21 years later of cancer. He always gave me the impression that he was having the delirium tremens every Sunday although I only remember him when he had been shuffled to the side in favour of the returning Arthur Montford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said: A 37-38 year old Ian Archer during his glory years when he briefly presented Scotsport in 1981. He would pass away 21 years later of cancer. He always gave me the impression that he was having the delirium tremens every Sunday although I only remember him when he had been shuffled to the side in favour of the returning Arthur Montford. Once described Rangers and their fans as 'A permanent embarrassment to Scotland and an occasional disgrace' in reference to the clubs 'signing policy' and the regular instances of the fans acting like animals. Archer, I believe was born to Scottish parents but raised in Devon so, had an insight and understanding of the nuances of Scottish culture and in particular it's influences on Scottish football fans but, from a distance down in England where, many viewed some of the extremist attitudes and behaviour with a sense of bewilderment. He was one of the first and very few back then to call out Rangers and their fans for their caveman attitudes and behaviour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, Flybhoy said: Once described Rangers and their fans as 'A permanent embarrassment to Scotland and an occasional disgrace' in reference to the clubs 'signing policy' and the regular instances of the fans acting like animals. Archer, I believe was born to Scottish parents but raised in Devon so, had an insight and understanding of the nuances of Scottish culture and in particular it's influences on Scottish football fans but, from a distance down in England where, many viewed some of the extremist attitudes and behaviour with a sense of bewilderment. He was one of the first and very few back then to call out Rangers and their fans for their caveman attitudes and behaviour. We could also describe the other arse cheek the same way. Both as bad as each other in terms of behaviour. A disgusting cancer on our game. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 @Flybhoy you can red dot me all you want but the facts don’t lie. This is what the late great Billy McNeill said after one match : “We want nothing to do with this scum” Here is a Celtic fan’s memory (via www.kerrydalestreet.co.uk ) “Celtic fans made up the majority of the 20,000 or so at Turf Moor. Hundreds of drink loaded buses left from salubrious drinking mens’ pubs throughout Scotland. There was mayhem at service stations which involved police with dogs and wholesale looting and debauchery. From my supporters’ bus one guy was arrested and put in a van with dogs. He was released from the van by ****** vigilantes, bloodstained and missing his trousers, but in true Celtic fashion still attended the match. While this was happening one of his mates was liberating a full tray of Penguin biscuits from the service station which he liberally distributed to all on the bus. Little portable huts selling pints were dotted round Turf Moor. The one near us was lifted off the ground, and again liberal looting took place. The Burnley fans then decided to chant “Argentina” at us. There was a no man’s land between both sets of fans with 6′ high iron railings on either side. A Rangers scarf was produced – cue mayhem. A sea of bottles and cans rained down on the Burnley fans. They responded with an interesting tactic. The beer cans were flattened and then skyted back at us. The casualty count was rising and eventually Celtic fans pulled down the fencing and used it as spears to throw at the police and Burnley fans, who ran onto the field. Billy came out to appeal for calm.” “A night I will never forget” Burnley fans’ recollections are reproduced with thanks from www.thelongside,co.uk and the Turfites Talk site: “Never seen anything like it before or since.” “I worked in Accrington at the time. The landlord at our local said a van load of Celtic fans had arrived at his pub about five and they stayed till chucking out time without ever going the last 6 miles to watch the match.” “They were there in their thousands – most of them were stupendously pissed and they were mean, aggressive and spoiling for a scrap.” “Outside the Turf it was chaos, with no segregation between fans as the police were hopelessly outnumbered. Hundreds of Celtic fans were simply jumping over the turnstiles. There were battles everywhere – on the terraces, on the Beehole steps, outside the pie stall, behind the Longside – everywhere. The air was full of flying plastic glasses and the odd coin and real glass bottle. There was a pitch invasion which in my recollection was actually begun by the few hundred remaining Clarets in the Longside, surrounded on three sides and realising that the game was up and it was a case of the pitch offering the only escape route. The Jocks followed, having broken down the fencing that theoretically should have separated the two sets of fans on the Longside. There was then a massive running battle on the pitch, and it was getting very nasty indeed.” “Going for a slash was quite an ordeal. They were skimming empty whisky bottles along the back wall as soon as you popped your head out. It was like one of those fairground games.” “My abiding memory is that the Longside was taken- they broke through the fencing and used the debris as missiles. There must have been 5,000 more than the official figure suggests inside the Turf that night, all of whom were Celtic, as the police gave up and just let them jump the turnstiles. Sheer weight of numbers told, literally – I reckon the crush is why the fence gave way and it’s a miracle there weren’t any deaths. Once the fence came down the Clarets had nowhere to go but onto the pitch. “I was in the relative safety of the Cricket Field stand at the time. However I remember Celtic fans destroying the fence between the fans and using pieces of it as spears. The cops with their dogs and horses had no chance. You should have seen Burnley town centre the day after the game. I do recall a group of Burnley fans remaining in the Longside – not many though, and they must have been scared to death.” “Like all Clarets who witnessed the trouble it is a night I will never forget. We were in the Cricket Field stand adjacent to the away fans. Initially, they concentrated on the Burnley fans next to them in the Longside, heaving whatever they could over the dividing fence. They then ripped up the fence and hurled the metal javelins at our fans. Later in the match they started to climb into our stand, some with blood soaked bandaged heads, looking for all the world like pirates boarding a ship.” “The Longside had a fence to separate the fans in those days and after throwing hundreds of empties over it they then proceed to break the fencing up. They threw concrete and fence posts at the Burnley fans. I saw a man close behind me get struck with a lump of concrete and fall to the floor with blood gushing from his head.” “Neither police nor the club had a clue how to handle it. The game continued as hundreds of Burnley fans tried to escape the area. The game was suspended eventually to allow them to escape and watch the game from elsewhere in the ground.” “It was a miracle nobody was killed or severely injured.” “I was scared to death. Absolutely the worst night of violence I have ever experienced. Bottles, steel railings, bricks and any other detritus the Celtic fans could find were coming our way.” “I was with my sister and I honestly thought we were goners.” “I was at the midpoint of the home end of The Longside – halfway along, halfway down. It was horrible. It wasn’t just the debris coming at us from the right, they’d found their way across at the back of the Longside, where the steps led down to the “toilets”, and so we got rushed from the right and from behind.” “Was shepherded off and out of the ground by police horses, and not let back in.” “I didn’t bother going up to Glasgow for the return leg.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 That sounds horrific but Quote “I didn’t bother going up to Glasgow for the return leg.” did make me laugh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, ICTChris said: That sounds horrific but did make me laugh. Burnley also won in 2-1 in Glasgow. Celtic: Latchford, McGrain, Lynch, Aitken, Edvaldsson, Conroy, Provan, Conn, McAdam, Burns, Lennox. Subs: Baines, Glavin Scorer: Lynch (pen 68) Burnley: Stevenson, Scott, Brennan, Noble, Thomson, Rodaway, Ingham, Smith, Fletcher, Kindon, James. Subs: Hall, Norman Scorers: Brennan (21), Kindon (26) Referee: W Anderson (East Kilbride) Attendance: 27,000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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