Eednud Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On New Year’s Day in 1927 Arbroath lost 0-3 to Forfar Athletic. In front of a then record crowd of 6,150. Then on New Year’s Day 1935 the result was repeated but only 6,000 turned up. The photo is from the 1935 game. Really enjoy the Arbroath Archive site. https://www.arbroatharchive.co.uk/matchdetails.php?id=3923 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 11 minutes ago, Eednud said: On New Year’s Day in 1927 Arbroath lost 0-3 to Forfar Athletic. In front of a then record crowd of 6,150. Then on New Year’s Day 1935 the result was repeated but only 6,000 turned up. The photo is from the 1935 game. Really enjoy the Arbroath Archive site. https://www.arbroatharchive.co.uk/matchdetails.php?id=3923 "excited spectators" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonLichtie Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 While it absolutely warms my heart everytime I see Eednud reguarly posting material from the Arbroath Archive (please continue to do so my good man, the more people who see and enjoy the archive the better ) it does make me feel like I should get my finger out my arse and make some further posts on this thread myself. It was after all this thread and a few other things that made me start looking into our history and creating our club archive.... Over the next wee while I'll try to post up the more interesting bits and pieces from our history that aren't on our archive as they don't quite fit anywhere currently... Mainly newspaper cuttings etc. from 1878 up until WW2. So, on 22nd July 1878 a meeting was held in the towns George Hotel, and low and behold a football club was formed! A summary of our first season as a club, taken from the AGM report in the summer of 1879. After our initial first home game was played at Woodville, the rest of the home games in our first two seasons were played on land at Hospitalfield. In late summer 1880 Gayfield was ready and the club played there until 1925 when 'Greater Gayfield' was built and the pitch moved to allow for a bigger ground. In 1882 the Forfarshire Football Association was formed: The famous Queen's Park were booked to play at Gayfield for the first time in 1884. The game ended up being played on 22nd May, and Queen's visited Gayfield around the time of the Queen's birthday for the next five years. Our fixture list for February - March - April 1885. Details of the post match reception given to Queen's Park after our game in 1885: A fixture card from the paper in August 1885: That'll do for now 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 9 hours ago, SimonLichtie said: While it absolutely warms my heart everytime I see Eednud reguarly posting material from the Arbroath Archive (please continue to do so my good man, the more people who see and enjoy the archive the better ) it does make me feel like I should get my finger out my arse and make some further posts on this thread myself. It was after all this thread and a few other things that made me start looking into our history and creating our club archive.... Over the next wee while I'll try to post up the more interesting bits and pieces from our history that aren't on our archive as they don't quite fit anywhere currently... Mainly newspaper cuttings etc. from 1878 up until WW2. So, on 22nd July 1878 a meeting was held in the towns George Hotel, and low and behold a football club was formed! A summary of our first season as a club, taken from the AGM report in the summer of 1879. After our initial first home game was played at Woodville, the rest of the home games in our first two seasons were played on land at Hospitalfield. In late summer 1880 Gayfield was ready and the club played there until 1925 when 'Greater Gayfield' was built and the pitch moved to allow for a bigger ground. In 1882 the Forfarshire Football Association was formed: The famous Queen's Park were booked to play at Gayfield for the first time in 1884. The game ended up being played on 22nd May, and Queen's visited Gayfield around the time of the Queen's birthday for the next five years. Our fixture list for February - March - April 1885. Details of the post match reception given to Queen's Park after our game in 1885: A fixture card from the paper in August 1885: That'll do for now I mentioned this somewhere else but the Forth Rail Bridge wasn't opened until 1890 so going to play St Bernard's in Edinburgh that season would have meant either crossing the Forth by the ferry at Queensferry or going the long way round via Perth, Stirling and Falkirk. Hearts and Hibs would have had similar journeys going North. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonLichtie Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 January 1887 - Ned Doig becomes the first and only player to be picked for Scotland while an Arbroath player A slightly odd sentence from the 1886-87 season regarding one of our players making love to a young damsel on a train back from an away game in Glasgow.... A review of our team that that lost the Forfarshire Charity Cup Final to Forfar in April 1888. A slightly odd ditty that appeared in the paper prior to the Forfarshire Cup final against Strathmore of Dundee that season; the game ended with a 10-2 win for ourselves. Our record for the 1887-88 season as published in the Evening Tele in May 1888. Probably our second best season of the 1800s, although difficult to say with so many of the games being friendlies. We won the Forfarshire Cup easily, got to the Scottish Cup Quarter Finals and lost the Forfarshire Charity Cup Final. February 1889 - an article detailing how Ned Doig got on in the trials for the Scottish national team trials. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Season 68/69 , Hodge and Cargill Arbroath , Hugh McLaughlin scoring for St Mirren ! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) Following on from a discussion in the St Mirren Celtic match thread…. Years ago when Davie Hay owned the Hole in the Wa pub in Paisley he was also manager of Celtic. Brian Clough’s Nottingham Forest played Celtic in the UEFA cup on 7th Dec 1983 and prematch at got his bus driver to drive to Hays pub and made sure that the bar staff informed their landlord that Forest were in town having some beers pre match. No doubt BC charged the bill to Hay. Celtic drew first leg away 0-0 and lost second leg at home 2-1. There was a lot of problems with overcrowding at the away game which is better covered here: https://thecelticstar.com/nottingham-forest-v-celtic-the-completely-ignored-hillsborough-warning-2/ Edited January 2 by Molotov 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 14 minutes ago, Molotov said: Celtic lost home and away 2-1 in both matches. There was a lot of problems with overcrowding at the away game which is better covered here: https://thecelticstar.com/nottingham-forest-v-celtic-the-completely-ignored-hillsborough-warning-2/ The first leg in Nottingham was goalless, was it not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 16 minutes ago, Molotov said: There was a lot of problems with overcrowding at the away game which is better covered here: https://thecelticstar.com/nottingham-forest-v-celtic-the-completely-ignored-hillsborough-warning-2/ Pretty scary reading that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: The first leg in Nottingham was goalless, was it not? Correct - post adjusted Second leg. https://www.thecelticwiki.com/1983-12-07-celtic-1-2-nottingham-forest-uefa-cup/ Edited January 2 by Molotov 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 minutes ago, Molotov said: Nope. https://www.thecelticwiki.com/1983-12-07-celtic-1-2-nottingham-forest-uefa-cup/ The link concerns the second leg in Glasgow I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 6 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: The link concerns the second leg in Glasgow I think. Correct. I made an error in the first post about the first leg actually being 0-0. But the fact remains that the pub in Paisley that Hay owned is relevant to Scottish football nostalgia. I’ll correct it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Monkey Tennis Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 8 minutes ago, Boghead ranter said: You see, that is such a mental arrangement that It's definitely worth preserving. It'll be a great shame if Dundee manage to move. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 On 16/12/2023 at 12:48, HibeeJibee said: Meanwhile in Belfast & Dublin Inter-City Cup there were always 12 entrants and 6 ties in R1, with the 2 sides who lost by the narrowest margins also progressing to QFs. e.g. 1941-42: The English "Associate Members Cup" - now the English Football League Trophy - used a similar format from 1983-85. The 48 teams were split into Northern and Southern sections of 24 teams, with each section having 12 ties in Round 1 and 6 ties in Round 2. The regional QFs then consisted of the 6 R2 winners plus two "lucky losers". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983–84_Associate_Members'_Cup In the Southern Section in 1984/85, Millwall lost 3-2 at home to Leyton Orient in Round 2, but were one of the lucky losers and were rewarded with a draw away to Leyton Orient, who beat them 4-2 this time. Meanwhile in the Northern Section, Burnley were beaten on penalties in consecutive rounds. The lucky loser concept famously returned to English football in 1999/00 when Man Utd withdrew from the FA Cup to go and play in the Club World Championship in Brazil. This time the lucky loser was simply drawn at random - Darlington (who were coincidentally also lucky losers in the screenshot above) were picked out and were drawn away to Aston Villa, who knocked them out for a second time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: The English "Associate Members Cup" - now the English Football League Trophy - used a similar format from 1983-85. The 48 teams were split into Northern and Southern sections of 24 teams, with each section having 12 ties in Round 1 and 6 ties in Round 2. The regional QFs then consisted of the 6 R2 winners plus two "lucky losers". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983–84_Associate_Members'_Cup In the Southern Section in 1984/85, Millwall lost 3-2 at home to Leyton Orient in Round 2, but were one of the lucky losers and were rewarded with a draw away to Leyton Orient, who beat them 4-2 this time. Meanwhile in the Northern Section, Burnley were beaten on penalties in consecutive rounds. After only 2 seasons they replaced this contrivance with 16 groups of 3 > Last 16... all 3 games in North Group 8 ended 1-0 so with no bonus points/tiebreak they had to play it all over again: ditto 1990-91: Edited January 2 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 12 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: After only 2 seasons they replaced this contrivance with 16 groups of 3 > Last 16... all 3 games in North Group 8 ended 1-0 so with no bonus points/tiebreak they had to play it all over again: ditto 1990-91: Interesting that they didn't make Notts County play Doncaster a second time in what would have been the deadest of rubbers. Did they do this anyway when a side had already won both their games and therefore the group, or did they just decide on that this time, given that they were having to do it all again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 On this day in 1890 fans attending both games at the Gayfield would have seen 22 goals as the picked team of Arbroath or Arbroath (Scratch) as the report named them lost 1-10 to Morton and the unitchy Arbroath lost 3-8 to Dumbarton. Seemed to be a regular New Year event with 3 or 4 mainly West of Scotland sides or composite heading to Arbroath. https://www.arbroatharchive.co.uk/onthisday.php 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 5 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: Interesting that they didn't make Notts County play Doncaster a second time in what would have been the deadest of rubbers. Did they do this anyway when a side had already won both their games and therefore the group, or did they just decide on that this time, given that they were having to do it all again? Yep only on that occasion. There were pools of 4 in the English preliminary of the Texaco Cup in its last season; in the Anglo-Scottish Cup which replaced it; in the Group Cup which superseded it - and the first season of becoming the Associate Members Cup; then groups of 3 from 1985-86 to 1995-96 during which time it became the Trophy; and groups of 4 again since 2016-17; and dead-rubber group games have always been played. (Bury did not fulfil any of theirs in 2019-20 after going bust). I suppose that's no different from all games being played in our League Cup groups. There was a dead-heat in 1945-46 settled at Hampden: and 1960-61 at Parkhead: and during Summer Cup in 1964-65 (only due to Hearts commitments in International Soccer League) at Tynecastle: and again in our League Cup in 1982-83 that seems to have been at Central Park although that may be wrong. (Note how Montrose were just 1 goal from a 3 way tie): Edited January 3 by HibeeJibee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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