The Aberdeen Mega-Hyper New Stadium Thread

[Dunty]

On 04/01/2018 at 14:13, betting competition said:

In Europa league qualifiers in the last 5 years, Aberdeen have played in a lot worse stadiums than Pittodrie. 

 

On 04/01/2018 at 14:49, betting competition said:

I think it is scare tactics from Aberdeen to get the new stadium passed. 

ooops ha ha 

We have played in some shitholes over the last 5 years although some of these trips are so well remembered:

Latvia - both grounds was very poor with no toilet facilities in the stadium (few portaloo toilets) 

HNK Rijeka - real dump had 2 portaloo toilets and tap  which you drunk out of due to them having a major heatwave going with the locals info - at least opened a shop up at kick-off which we could buy food/drinks. Sadly some bloke lost his finger during the goal celebrations

Kairat Almaty - no toliet facilities either had to go outside the ground for the toilet (typical soviet stadium). 

Luxemborg - national stadium  Stade Josy Barthel was a right dump 

Siroki Brijeg - wasn't the best for away support either but what a trip!

How many of those stadiums were new stadiums?

For example, the Luxembourg stadium needed a quarter of a million £ spent on it to make it useable for Euro 2016 qualifiers, and they are planning to build a new stadium elsewhere.

 

3 hours ago, strichener said:

People do realise that Kingsford actually has less boxes proposed than Pittodrie right?

Kingsford 23 boxes for 10 people (230 people)
Pittodrie 12 boxes for 10 people and 24 boxes for 8 people. (312 people)

 

Not every corporate guest sits in an executive box.

George Yule in January 2017:

There'll be a slight increase in the corporate capacity, it'll probably be in the region of 1,400. We're also looking at installing a supporters bar which we don't have here. There'll be a different layout. Because we've got eight lounges here spread in the different parts of the stadium, it's inefficient from a catering, from a service, and from a heating and lighting point of view. So we're looking at centralising the corporate facilities and the supporters bar and having more of a central kitchen to serve our corporate. That makes it a lot easier to do, less people in terms of waiters and waitresses needed to go up and down stairs.

Edited January 6, 2018 by Dunty

[strichener]

9 hours ago, Dunty said:

Not every corporate guest sits in an executive box.

George Yule in January 2017:

There'll be a slight increase in the corporate capacity, it'll probably be in the region of 1,400. We're also looking at installing a supporters bar which we don't have here. There'll be a different layout. Because we've got eight lounges here spread in the different parts of the stadium, it's inefficient from a catering, from a service, and from a heating and lighting point of view. So we're looking at centralising the corporate facilities and the supporters bar and having more of a central kitchen to serve our corporate. That makes it a lot easier to do, less people in terms of waiters and waitresses needed to go up and down stairs.

The conversation was specifically about boxes and the lack of availability. 

According to the supporting documentation from AFC, Yule is speaking out of his arse again.  The submission to the council was that total hospitality at Kingsford would be 1000 max. whilst at Pittodrie it is 900.  So less boxes but able to cater for a maximum of 100 additional people. 

[Dunty]

44 minutes ago, strichener said:

The conversation was specifically about boxes and the lack of availability. 

According to the supporting documentation from AFC, Yule is speaking out of his arse again.  The submission to the council was that total hospitality at Kingsford would be 1000 max. whilst at Pittodrie it is 900.  So less boxes but able to cater for a maximum of 100 additional people. 

No the original point was the club want more corporate facilities. Executive boxes were mentioned when someone got side tracked.

Sticking with executive boxes though, in the original plans there was actually two tiers of executive boxes, very much like the Groupama Arena in Budapest and the Allianz Stadion in Vienna which are both held up as good new stadium models (and, although clearly there are differences, you can also see the Aberdeen architects have been inspired by the designs). 

However, when they reduced the height, out came a row of boxes.

I believe the way the stadium is being built, they can increase capacity at any time, so can add another row should they need to.

Edited January 6, 2018 by Dunty

[Aberdeen Cowden]

1 hour ago, strichener said:

The conversation was specifically about boxes and the lack of availability. 

According to the supporting documentation from AFC, Yule is speaking out of his arse again.  The submission to the council was that total hospitality at Kingsford would be 1000 max. whilst at Pittodrie it is 900.  So less boxes but able to cater for a maximum of 100 additional people. 

Yule is a real embarrassment for the club. At an earlier meeting with Aberdeenshire Council he didn’t know where Seaton was.

[Raidernation]

What’s the area of Duthie Park?[emoji2]

[Milnzo]

34 minutes ago, Dunty said:

 

Sticking with executive boxes though, in the original plans there was actually two tiers of executive boxes.......

However, when they reduced the height, out came a row of boxes.

I believe the way the stadium is being built, they can increase capacity at any time, so can add another row should they need to.

 

 

Why did they reduce the height of the stand?

[strichener]

42 minutes ago, Dunty said:

No the original point was the club want more corporate facilities. Executive boxes were mentioned when someone got side tracked.

Sticking with executive boxes though, in the original plans there was actually two tiers of executive boxes, very much like the Groupama Arena in Budapest and the Allianz Stadion in Vienna which are both held up as good new stadium models (and, although clearly there are differences, you can also see the Aberdeen architects have been inspired by the designs). 

However, when they reduced the height, out came a row of boxes.

I believe the way the stadium is being built, they can increase capacity at any time, so can add another row should they need to.

 

 

So do you agree that Kingsford will be able to cater for a maximum of 100 more in hospitality than the current Pittodrie?  Hardly a resounding benefit all things considered.  Rip out a couple of offices at Pittodrie and you'll get the same benefit.

There have never been plans submitted for Kingsford with two tiers of executive boxes.

[Dunty]

11 minutes ago, Milnzo said:

Why did they reduce the height of the stand?

Partly to make it easier to get the stadium passed as it'll look less imposing, blocking out the views of the AWPR that some locals were so keen to see.

Also because it's based very much on Bristol City's Atyeo Stand which the architects were very impressed with. Three stands set to be the same height, same number of rows, same layout, etc.

[Milnzo]

Are these plans, pre and post alterations, available to view online?

AFAIK, a few rows of seats were taken out to reduce the height of the stands in a concession to the local protest group at the consultation stage.  Good move if they're just waiting until they forget about it and add on a row of exec boxes on top a few years down the line lol.

[Dunty]

6 minutes ago, strichener said:

So do you agree that Kingsford will be able to cater for a maximum of 100 more in hospitality than the current Pittodrie?  Hardly a resounding benefit all things considered.  Rip out a couple of offices at Pittodrie and you'll get the same benefit.

I'll take your word for it that it is currently 100 more as I'm not going to trawl through the application to check, but like I just said the ability will be there to increase it if demand dictates it, without having to "rip out a few offices", considering they lack those too. Ally Prockter's office is one of the executive boxes which he gets kicked out of on match days, while there is a portacabin with offices outside the RDS. 

6 minutes ago, strichener said:

There have never been plans submitted for Kingsford with two tiers of executive boxes.

In the application the architects discuss the design, and mention the height had been reduced and a row of executive boxes removed.

At first, Aberdeen were keen to follow the Loirston plans, which were taller and had two rows of executive boxes.

[Dunty]

12 minutes ago, Milnzo said:

Are these plans, pre and post alterations, available to view online?

AFAIK, a few rows of seats were taken out to reduce the height of the stands in a concession to the local protest group at the consultation stage.  Good move if they're just waiting until they forget about it and add on a row of exec boxes on top a few years down the line lol.

Yes they're on the stadium application, but due to the council putting every submission on the one page you have to wade through thousands of objection and support comments to actually get to the plans.

[Elixir]

On 05/01/2018 at 10:57, 10menwent2mow said:

Takes capacity instantly down to 12,000 during redevelopment

So more than big enough, then.

[Milnzo]

On 05/01/2018 at 10:57, 10menwent2mow said:

I still can’t believe people think redeveloping Pittodrie is viable. Where would you start, the South Stand??? Takes capacity instantly down to 12,000 during redevelopment, where are we putting away fans during that time??

 

Maybe best doing half off the stand at a time, or start with a smaller stand.

 

FWIW Pittodrie was ace during the season of RDS build.

[10menwent2mow]

Maybe best doing half off the stand at a time, or start with a smaller stand.
 
FWIW Pittodrie was ace during the season of RDS build.

I can’t really see doing half the stand at at a time being viable at all. As I say the only other option would be to start with the main stand, which would lose all the offices, dressing rooms, board room and a huge percentage of the corporate facilities.

The club would be sending themselves into a huge mountain of debt by staying at Pittodrie, the club have no doubt backed themselves into a corner by neglecting the old lady and failing to buy land surrounding the ground, however, in her current state she is a financial burden to the club and to me it’s beyond the point where it can be redeveloped in a way that is financially viable.

[lubo_blaha]

9 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said:

 

I can’t really see doing half the stand at at a time being viable at all. As I say the only other option would be to start with the main stand, which would lose all the offices, dressing rooms, board room and a huge percentage of the corporate facilities.

The club would be sending themselves into a huge mountain of debt by staying at Pittodrie, the club have no doubt backed themselves into a corner by neglecting the old lady and failing to buy land surrounding the ground, however, in her current state she is a financial burden to the club and to me it’s beyond the point where it can be redeveloped in a way that is financially viable.

 

This is of course a problem unique to Aberdeen and doesn't apply to any other club in world football who have rebuilt their main stand...

We could put down a few portacabins in the car park in for offices and dressing rooms and stick the hospitality in the Broadhill Bar. It would only be for a season, hardly the end of the world. 

[topcat(The most tip top)]

So more than big enough, then.

Seriously speaking

Hibs played in front of 3 stands for the last 5 League games of 2009-10 after bulldozing the East Stand

Hearts moved the first 5 League games of this season and that was supposedly after a series of cock ups.

So the reduced capacity problem while redeveloping the south Stand would exist for half a dozen games tops

[PauloPerth]

10 hours ago, lubo_blaha said:

This is of course a problem unique to Aberdeen and doesn't apply to any other club in world football who have rebuilt their main stand...

We could put down a few portacabins in the car park in for offices and dressing rooms and stick the hospitality in the Broadhill Bar. It would only be for a season, hardly the end of the world. 

 

32 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:

 

Seriously speaking

Hibs played in front of 3 stands for the last 5 League games of 2009-10 after bulldozing the East Stand

Hearts moved the first 5 League games of this season and that was supposedly after a series of cock ups.

So the reduced capacity problem while redeveloping the south Stand would exist for half a dozen games tops

 

Did Hibs not play a good part of a season in the early 2000's at Easter Road whilst redeveloping the Main Stand as well?  I remember them using portacabins as changing rooms.

The other 4 of the top 5 supported clubs in the country have all played matches at home with a reduced capacity whilst their stadium is redeveloped, so to suggest its impossible for Aberdeen to do so is strange.

Add in Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle etc etc who all have far bigger demand and you realise it can be done.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

Did Hibs not play a good part of a season in the early 2000's at Easter Road whilst redeveloping the Main Stand as well?  I remember them using portacabins as changing rooms.
The other 4 of the top 5 supported clubs in the country have all played matches at home with a reduced capacity whilst their stadium is redeveloped, so to suggest its impossible for Aberdeen to do so is strange.
Add in Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle etc etc who all have far bigger demand and you realise it can be done.

Hibs had 12,379 for a draw with Kilmarnock on jan 2nd 2001 and that was the last 5 figure attendance till about as many turned up for another draw with Killie on opening day in August 2001.

They’d played both halves of the old firm and the derby in front of relatively tiny crowds as a decent Hibs side secured 3rd

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_Hibernian_F.C._season

If the Hibs board had been a bit wiser they would have built the Stand a year later. Hibs were quite good in 2000/01 but pish the following season and ended it with Bobby Williams in the bottom six frequently pulling crowds that could have fitted into the three stands anyway.

[HibeeJibee]

On ‎06‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 14:12, Dunty said:

Double-sized Almondvale, basically?

[EdTheDuck]

15 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

Double-sized Almondvale, basically?