What is the point of Labour ?

[Jambo99]

On 02/07/2018 at 03:32, pawpar said:

Much as I hate the tory party (and christ do I do) you have to give them credit for a couple of things.

1. They have stupid unionists voting for them despite the fact Scotland is going to shit.

2. They think brexit is a good thing for the UK and bring stupid unionists to think the same and

3. They love austerity.

 

Which brings me to my main point what is the difference between the Conservative and Labour Parties when it comes to policy as there is no difference between them when it comes to the above 3 policies..

At least the tories have the balls to admit the above while labour gets all drunk and says I love you, you are my best friend then cuts your balls off.

So I ask you what is the point of Labour. ? (Anybody mentioning socialism and helping the poor considering they abstain when it comes to a vote on austerity will be ignored.)

 

Discuss. 

Its a stupid, wee thing you think. 

Good luck to you pal, your gonna need it. 

[Peppino Impastato]

51 minutes ago, Jambo99 said:

Its a stupid, wee thing you think. 

Good luck to you pal, your gonna need it. 

If you think labour are the answer to your and Scotland's problems after a hundred years of evidence to the contrary it's you that needs luck.  

[Jambo99]

1 minute ago, Peppino Impastato said:

If you think labour are the answer to your and Scotland's problems after a hundred years of evidence to the contrary it's you that needs luck.  

Thats even more stupid than the original post. 

Are you lot trying to win a prize or something?

[Peppino Impastato]

28 minutes ago, Jambo99 said:

Thats even more stupid than the original post. 

Are you lot trying to win a prize or something?

Goodbye troll.

[Jambo99]

1 minute ago, Peppino Impastato said:

Goodbye troll.

This site is full on intelligent

 

[pawpar]

6 hours ago, Jambo99 said:

Its a stupid, wee thing you think. 

Good luck to you pal, your gonna need it. 

It took you 26 days to reply to this yup unionists really are thick as shit.

[Detournement]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/29/goodbye-my-friend-nyta-you-died-as-you-lived-on-your-own-terms

Nick Cohen mental breakdown latest. Writes an article about his friend's suicide and casually drops in that she disapproved of Corbyn and "his treatment of the Jews".

Presumably the bizarre "the" in front of "Jews" is for legal reasons.

[Detournement]

Today's anti semitism scandal. Corbyn is apparently a disgrace for sharing a platform in 2010 with a Jewish Auschwitz survivor called Hajo Meyer who compared Israel's policy towards Gaza with his personal experience of Nazism.

Hopefully some Blairite thicko can be galled into called Meyer an anti semite.

Edited August 1, 2018 by Detournement

[welshbairn]

18 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Today's anti semitism scandal. Corbyn is apparently a disgrace for sharing a platform in 2010 with a Jewish Auschwitz survivor called Hajo Meyer who compared Israel's policy towards Gaza with his personal experience of Nazism.

Hopefully some Blairite thicko can be galled into called Meyer an anti semite.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/hajo-meyer/an-ethical-tradition-betr_b_438660.html

[Detournement]

The wrong kind of holocaust survivor.

[Detournement]

Mark Curtis states the obvious.

[Peppino Impastato]

21 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Mark Curtis states the obvious.

My heart bleeds for them.  I bet mark didn't have something to say when we had two years of that during indyref.  f**k Corbyn and f**k labour.

[DrewDon]

I don't think Corbyn is an anti-Semite, and the majority of his supporters aren't either. But I don't think it is ridiculous to suggest that some Corbyn supporters could do more to challenge the anti-Semitic fringe, and there has been a little too much whataboutery on the issue at times.

[harry94]

28 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Mark Curtis states the obvious.

 

Every criticism of Corbyn is a 'smear' and when he does give in and hold his hand up and admit a mistake, it must be because of psychological warfare and is also completely irrelevant because of more important stuff etc.

The fact is that the leader of the Labour Party had had the judgement to host an event with anti-semites on holocaust memorial day is insane. This isn't the whole 'you can't recognise Israel without being labelled an anti-semite' crap, this event was about how Jewish people as a whole exploit the holocaust for political and economic gain on.....holocaust memorial day.  Then in addition to this, sharing a stage with these sorts of people (and also terrorists, religious fanatics who believe in the persecution of women and other races, RT ) to get a discussion going is considered fair game but to do so with a 'Blairite' (i.e. a member of your own party who is more moderate) is out of the question.

If Labour members were to not be such fucking morons and elect even the most uninspiring leader they could find in the PLP, they would be in a position of forcing through meaningful Brexit legislation. As it stands, their radical socialist leader will do the most damage to the socialist cause imaginable and increase poverty in the whole of the UK. In endorsing this position, they have also given validity to an emerging racially based nationalistic politics which has emerged in the last decade.

[John Lambies Doos]

Every criticism of Corbyn is a 'smear' and when he does give in and hold his hand up and admit a mistake, it must be because of psychological warfare and is also completely irrelevant because of more important stuff etc.
The fact is that the leader of the Labour Party had had the judgement to host an event with anti-semites on holocaust memorial day is insane. This isn't the whole 'you can't recognise Israel without being labelled an anti-semite' crap, this event was about how Jewish people as a whole exploit the holocaust for political and economic gain on.....holocaust memorial day.  Then in addition to this, sharing a stage with these sorts of people (and also terrorists, religious fanatics who believe in the persecution of women and other races, RT ) to get a discussion going is considered fair game but to do so with a 'Blairite' (i.e. a member of your own party who is more moderate) is out of the question.
If Labour members were to not be such fucking morons and elect even the most uninspiring leader they could find in the PLP, they would be in a position of forcing through meaningful Brexit legislation. As it stands, their radical socialist leader will do the most damage to the socialist cause imaginable and increase poverty in the whole of the UK. In endorsing this position, they have also given validity to an emerging racially based nationalistic politics which has emerged in the last decade.

Another very good post. Attacks by Not the Pars and Detournement incoming

[Detournement]

12 minutes ago, harry94 said:

 

The fact is that the leader of the Labour Party had had the judgement to host an event with anti-semites on holocaust memorial day is insane.

You believe that Hajo Meyer was an anti semite?

The media attacks on Labour will only stop when they have a leader who goes along with neoliberal, imperialist Washington consensus.

Edited August 1, 2018 by Detournement

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, harry94 said:

Every criticism of Corbyn is a 'smear' and when he does give in and hold his hand up and admit a mistake, it must be because of psychological warfare and is also completely irrelevant because of more important stuff etc.

The fact is that the leader of the Labour Party had had the judgement to host an event with anti-semites on holocaust memorial day is insane. This isn't the whole 'you can't recognise Israel without being labelled an anti-semite' crap, this event was about how Jewish people as a whole exploit the holocaust for political and economic gain on.....holocaust memorial day.  Then in addition to this, sharing a stage with these sorts of people (and also terrorists, religious fanatics who believe in the persecution of women and other races, RT ) to get a discussion going is considered fair game but to do so with a 'Blairite' (i.e. a member of your own party who is more moderate) is out of the question.

If Labour members were to not be such fucking morons and elect even the most uninspiring leader they could find in the PLP, they would be in a position of forcing through meaningful Brexit legislation. As it stands, their radical socialist leader will do the most damage to the socialist cause imaginable and increase poverty in the whole of the UK. In endorsing this position, they have also given validity to an emerging racially based nationalistic politics which has emerged in the last decade.

Christ that post is all over the place.

I disagree with Corbyn’s stand on the EU and am pissed off that, in my opinion, he’s missing an open goal.  Nonetheless Corbyn’s view on Europe is based on an understandable anti-global capitalist position that is entirely consistent with his views and actually has some merit.

To condemn him out of hand for the other issue is laughable in relation to what many other politicians, including those on government, do.  Corbyn has a far more credible record on opposing racist than many MPs.

The whole ‘Corbyn is an anti-Semite’ arguement has been blown way out of proportion and is getting far more media attention than it deserves.  Far more, and there’s no prize for guessing why.

Pity some of the most vocal critics on his own ranks are not more vocal about was has been happening in Israel in recent weeks.

 

[harry94]

38 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I disagree with Corbyn’s stand on the EU and am pissed off that, in my opinion, he’s missing an open goal.  Nonetheless Corbyn’s view on Europe is based on an understandable anti-global capitalist position that is entirely consistent with his views and actually has some merit.

1

Fair enough to him then. It is in my opinion, an absolutely insane viewpoint for someone to have though - especially somebody who is aimed at advancing the socialist cause. Maybe in a strong socialist society, we might one day have slightly less red tape to go through in nationalising a section of Blackpool's tram line infrastructure but anyone who genuinely feels that the long-term benefits of the decision made will advance the socialist cause are blatantly mistaken.

38 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

To condemn him out of hand for the other issue is laughable in relation to what many other politicians, including those on government, do.  Corbyn has a far more credible record on opposing racist than many MPs.

The whole ‘Corbyn is an anti-Semite’ arguement has been blown way out of proportion and is getting far more media attention than it deserves.  Far more, and there’s no prize for guessing why.

1

I don't think he's racist or an anti-semite. The point is, he invites this argument on himself and it's entirely needless. Why the hell would an elected politician ever feel hosting such an event on that particular day is appropriate? Complex problems need complex solutions and he's incapable of dealing with sensitivities at the most basic scale.

He's promoting this idea that sharing platforms with those you disagree with is laudable and a constructive step in promoting peace in geopolitics. That's something which I won't disagree with and in itself, I don't think there's anything wrong with that if you have clear boundaries set.

The problem is, he doesn't have any such well-defined parameters for how to handle discourse and this allows the promotion of absolute mentalists to push an agenda which is racist/anti-semitic but then hide behind this on the basis that 'it's a conversation' or 'hiding behind Israel'. A leader of a political party is someone to encourage debate but they also need to take sensitivities into account.

You are correct I believe that in Corbyn's case, things do get more media attention but he's the leader of the Labour Party and if he ever wants to be effective in that role, he needs to wisen himself up to the realities of politics. That doesn't mean he needs to sell his principles but there are certain sensitivities which do need to be understood. Right now, he apologises then the base gives the whole 'The blatantly racist artwork was not racist, he was forced into an apology by dark Rothschild forces. Ask about Yemen etc'. The anti-establishment agenda throws up things that are interesting and worthy of water but it muddies the water and allows lunatic theories to gain credibility.

It's a shame, I genuinely think he's a really good guy but he's not worthy of the position he's in and a big consequence of his leadership is that the craziest parts of the base have infected the others.

[NotThePars]

3 hours ago, DrewDon said:

I don't think Corbyn is an anti-Semite, and the majority of his supporters aren't either. But I don't think it is ridiculous to suggest that some Corbyn supporters could do more to challenge the anti-Semitic fringe, and there has been a little too much whataboutery on the issue at times.

 

Would agree with this. The best way for Labour to counter persistent claims of anti-semitism is to be more robust in challenging anti-semitism. The left parties have to be more stringently opposed to any form of bigotry because anti-bigotry is a core component of leftist politics. It might not be fair that the media are ignoring a member of the Conservative Party calling her own party Islamophobic but that doesn't excuse the poor response from Labour affiliated media and members such as Skawkbox.

[Jdog]

Louise Ellman  ...

telling the BBC she was horrified to hear Corbyn shared a stage with anti Zionist speakers on national Holocaust day in 2010....turns out she was there too