tirso Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 48 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Not sure but Tom Watson’s end game is but this latest stunt related to Chris Williamson will cause an entrenchment on the left which is likely to impact upon the Brexit policy. It shouldn’t but it is likely that it will. I just zone out whenever Labour say anything about this stuff. All it does is show they're not a political party anymore. Corbyn needs to resign or sack those that won't get in line. A shambles noone can vote for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) He can't sack Watson from the deputy leadership and he can't deselect MPs. The right wingers will never happily go along with a left wing platform. They need to go but it's tricky. Edited June 27, 2019 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: He can't sack Watson from the deputy leadership and he can't deselect MPs. The right wingers will never happily go along with a left wing platform. They need to go but it's tricky. So there's zero point to Labour in their current guise? Thank's for confirming, the OP has been answered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Londonwell said: So there's zero point to Labour in their current guise? Thank's for confirming, the OP has been answered. Nah Labour are the only party who can end austerity, address climate change and challenge Neoliberalism. If those goals appeal then Labour are the only party to vote for. The right wingers are a massive obstacle but they have no grassroots support so they can only win by demoralising the membership enough to give up. Edited June 27, 2019 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Detournement said: Nah Labour are the only party who can end austerity, address climate change and challenge Neoliberalism. Labour support Brexit. All your pious bleating doesn't change that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Nah Labour are the only party who can end austerity, address climate change and challenge Neoliberalism. If those goals appeal then Labour are the only party to vote for. The right wingers are a massive obstacle but they have no grassroots support so they can only win by demoralising the membership enough to give up. The only thing Labour is capable of ending is in fourth place on both sides of the border. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 So here's car manufacturing jobs being threatened by Brexit. Now obviously, being the party of the workers and socialists, Labour will oppose these job losses by opposing Brexit. Won't they? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-48790657 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Watson basically saying that Corbyn should ignore the democratically agreed internal process of the Labour Party, override the rules and unilaterally suspend Williamson. If Corbyn tried to override internal Labour Party rules on other issues Watson would be at the head of the cue to criticise him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) Tom has the full house now. Firstly he was going to personally intervene https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/25/tom-watson-says-he-will-monitor-labour-antisemitism-cases Then he was adamant that there must be no leadership intervention https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/102216/tom-watson-raises-fears-political-interference It's almost as if he's acting in bad faith and is only interested in preventing a socialist government. Edited June 27, 2019 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 The mental thing about this is that Williamson wasn't even suspended for anti-Semitism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 It's truly a disgrace that Labour are such a fucking omishambles. History will not judge them, their idiot student socialist ideology, or their inability to lay a glove on the worst government in UK history, kindly. A shower of utter fuckwits. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Detournement said: Nah Labour are the only party who can end austerity, address climate change and challenge Neoliberalism. If those goals appeal then Labour are the only party to vote for. The right wingers are a massive obstacle but they have no grassroots support so they can only win by demoralising the membership enough to give up. I can never work out whether you are a fantasist or a troll. I suppose that is to your credit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: It's truly a disgrace that Labour are such a fucking omishambles. History will not judge them, their idiot student socialist ideology, or their inability to lay a glove on the worst government in UK history, kindly. A shower of utter fuckwits. You do realise that Labour took away their majority and that May has resigned? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: You do realise that Labour took away their majority and that May has resigned? And that's it. The sum total of their achievements against the worst government in history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Londonwell said: I can never work out whether you are a fantasist or a troll. I suppose that is to your credit. I'm serious. SNP policy is piss poor and the GC is right wing shite. Labour aren't perfect but the party being reclaimed by grassroots members has opened up possibilities that didn't previously exist in UK politics. Just having a party which is led by a genuine anti imperialist is absolutely class. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: I'm serious. SNP policy is piss poor and the GC is right wing shite. Labour aren't perfect but the party being reclaimed by grassroots members has opened up possibilities that didn't previously exist in UK politics. Just having a party which is led by a genuine anti imperialist is absolutely class. This "genuine anti imperialist" currently has the worst approval rating for any opposition leader ever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 H_B [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Read a snipet today Johnson has downplayed any Islamaphobia investigation in the Tory Party if he becomes PM. Surprisingly few headlines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Read a snipet today Johnson has downplayed any Islamaphobia investigation in the Tory Party if he becomes PM. Surprisingly few headlines. Of course there are no headlines. The UK press in general is right-wing and refuses to acknowledge that Islamophobia exists. That doesn't detract from the arse that Labour have made of being the official opposition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: Of course there are no headlines. The UK press in general is right-wing and refuses to acknowledge that Islamophobia exists. That doesn't detract from the arse that Labour have made of being the official opposition. Can’t argue with that second paragraph. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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