s_dog Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 7 hours ago, mathematics said: Did we not try to introduce safe drug treatment/use clinics a couple of years back but the UK government ruled that we couldn’t? Yes, there's a guy in Glasgow running an unsanctioned drug consumption van for a couple of years now. Police have mainly monitored it and taken no action (once tried to charge him with obstruction but no action was taken), and there have been continual calls for it to be legalised. Scottish Government and other MSP's want to legalise these kind of facilities but up to now the UK Government has said no it would be against the law, and so far they don't seem interested in changing that. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/drug-consumption-van-scotland-success-26971813 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Just now, s_dog said: Yes, there's a guy in Glasgow running an unsanctioned drug consumption van for a couple of years now. Police have mainly monitored it and taken no action (once tried to charge him with obstruction but no action was taken), and there have been continual calls for it to be legalised. Scottish Government and other MSP's want to legalise these kind of facilities but up to now the UK Government has said no it would be against the law, and so far they don't seem interested in changing that. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/drug-consumption-van-scotland-success-26971813 Does it have a wee chime like an ice-cream van? on a more serious note, more “protest”-actions like this required. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 7 hours ago, mathematics said: Did we not try to introduce safe drug treatment/use clinics a couple of years back but the UK government ruled that we couldn’t? Talked about in 2016 - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37817622 https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=38604&p=0 Shot down in 2018 - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/westminster-junks-glasgow-drug-fix-room-plan-rggvxlxz7 (paywalled but you can use archive.is or similar to get round it) Idea resurrected last year - https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/lord-advocate-suggests-fresh-look-25367167 Meanwhile Peter Krykant was running his 'safe room van' on Parnie Street in for 10 months in 2020, and the Crown Office don't seem to have much interest in prosecuting him for doing so - https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/drugs-activist-peter-krykant-wont-23348736 He's currently not doing so because the stress of the potential prosecution caused him to relapse - as far as I know he's clean again, but you could understand him not wanting to be around potential triggers at the moment. His Twitter is likely worth following for anyone interested in the subject as a whole - https://twitter.com/petekrykant_opc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/03/cocaine-and-opiates-drive-record-high-drug-deaths-in-england-and-wales I take it the Heil didn't have it on their front page? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfredolch Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) In fact, this is a very sad statistic ... I'm shocked that 70% of men died from drugs. This is terrible. My family was not spared by this tragedy. My brother suffered from drug addiction. We tried to save him, but he died. It was such a big tragedy for our family that it fell apart. As a result, the parents blame the friend and divorce. I developed an anxiety disorder due to all this. I also blamed myself for what happened to my brother. I stopped coping and decided to turn to https://fherehab.com/anxiety/treatment/ for help. Now I am undergoing treatment, and I hope it will help me. Edited September 11, 2022 by Alfredolch 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Even the Tories performed better than the SNP - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/deadly-craving-for-jellies-leads-to-crime-wave-1596836.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 The Taliban are stopping anyone in Afghanistan from growing opium, considering they supplied nearly half the world's heroin there is a massive shortage of supply & rise in cost coming down the line. Don't know if this will bump the death rates as folk take anything they can get their hands on, or move people into methadone and support. Hopefully the government are ready to support the latter option. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 If nothing else the drug market is remarkable it’s it’s ability to respond to challenges and I’m sure they will quickly adapt, indeed it is probably abit ahead of things here in diversifying their opioid supply. Fentyanol likely to fill any gap I’d think, which is terrible for OD rates. We could protect users and provide testing kits, will we? Nah, their just junkies, if we reduce the chance of death use will just go up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 28 minutes ago, parsforlife said: If nothing else the drug market is remarkable it’s it’s ability to respond to challenges and I’m sure they will quickly adapt, indeed it is probably abit ahead of things here in diversifying their opioid supply. Fentyanol likely to fill any gap I’d think, which is terrible for OD rates. We could protect users and provide testing kits, will we? Nah, their just junkies, if we reduce the chance of death use will just go up. We could protect users and provide testing kits, will we? Nah, their just junkies, if we reduce the chance of death use will just go up. never happen to my son or daughter, why should i care, stick them all in the jail. in fact stick them in with all the drugs, so they die there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, SlipperyP said: We could protect users and provide testing kits, will we? Nah, their just junkies, if we reduce the chance of death use will just go up. never happen to my son or daughter, why should i care, stick them all in the jail. in fact stick them in with all the drugs, so they die there I have posted it before but it is worth posting again. I have a very close relative who is a drug addict and when they actually found the strength to try and beat their addiction they came to me. It was heartbreaking and infuriating at the same time to speak to a health practitioner who really wanted to help but had no way of doing so at the time other than giving me the advice of "use a dealer that you trust". It took 6 weeks from that point until they managed to get on a program. It really is no wonder that we can't get drug deaths down when we can't help the addicts when they want it. The window of opportunity is far smaller than the processes that are used to try and help drug users and subsequently people die. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, strichener said: I have posted it before but it is worth posting again. I have a very close relative who is a drug addict I feel your pain, I really do, it's not easy watching folk crumble, more of my friends have been caught up in the valium, blues aas we called. i was lucky, don't know why...just lucky, most are dead now or fucked up they don't know who I am...my hand havs blood. Sorry, from my heart 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted August 22, 2023 Author Share Posted August 22, 2023 Drug deaths fall to their lowest level in five years https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66572155 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 ITV news did a 'special investigation' into Scotland's drug death epidemic last week, in which they forecast based on insider knowledge that deaths would, err, hit a new record high when the latest figures came out. https://www.itv.com/watch/news/scotlands-drug-deaths-expected-to-rise-as-nation-battles-spike-in-cocaine-use/rf5d3bp There's nothing for the SG to celebrate but journalists making a total arse of themselves is absolutely worth highlighting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Over as a public health crisis IMO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stimpy Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Found this online, I like the idea of a harm reduction strategy however the "law and order Tories" still think they can make Scotland punish their way out of this current crisis. https://cranstoun.org/news/the-right-to-recovery-bill-consultation/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Accusations that the figures have been fiddled and the numbers have been lowballed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 The public interest of prosecuting people possessing drugs in "safe consumption rooms" has been dropped therefore you can no longer be convicted of simple possession in these spaces. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted September 11, 2023 Author Share Posted September 11, 2023 On 25/08/2023 at 17:02, Ziggy Sobotka said: Accusations that the figures have been fiddled and the numbers have been lowballed. I think that these accusations aren't accurate - I think it was a report in the Scotsman that mentioned this, if I recall what I read at the time then it isn't a fair criticism of the data. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 2 hours ago, 101 said: The public interest of prosecuting people possessing drugs in "safe consumption rooms" has been dropped therefore you can no longer be convicted of simple possession in these spaces. Does the pub lavvy constitute a "safe consumption room", my friend enquires. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 On 25/08/2023 at 16:27, stimpy said: Found this online, I like the idea of a harm reduction strategy however the "law and order Tories" still think they can make Scotland punish their way out of this current crisis. https://cranstoun.org/news/the-right-to-recovery-bill-consultation/ Thing is, a "law and order" approach isn't necessarily incompatible with a harm reduction strategy. It's just that the UKs toxic media/political environment plays it that way. They could have their futile, pointless war on drugs and still stop intravenous users from dying of gangrene in a civilised country. But some Kuensberg/Robinson arsepiece would be giving it "you promised to be tough on crime. Why are you allowing heroin galleries?" It's infantile and tragic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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