Israel lobby v Corbyn

[jakedee]

The Nationalists on here exist in a reality where the 2017 Labour Manifesto and the Wilson Growth Commision do not exist.

Nationalists on here may have heard it all before,and thought, fool me once .......

[WhiteRoseKillie]

21 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

1 hour ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

You've missed Labour returning to its roots after years of right wing policies dressed up as some ridiculous "third way". You really could try reading the 2017 manifesto, and not the Fail.

If only Corbyn exhibited such passion....

I'm pretty laid back atm, to be honest. If you don't think Corbyn displays passion, I can only assume you've never heard him speak. Or that you set the bar impossibly high. You can tell he believes in what he proposes - not too many other senior politicians you can say that of...

Edited August 14, 2018 by WhiteRoseKillie

[williemillersmoustache]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

People who don’t like Corbyn’s left wing politics will attack him any way they can.  He’s too left wing, he’s not left wing enough, he’s not prepared to compromise, he’s sold out on Trident.

The thing is I support the bulk of Corbyn’s policies and think they would be better for the U.K. as a whole than the Tories.  I am pretty sure he has also said he would not stand in the way of a further Independence referendum. 

My biggest gripe with Corbyn is Brexit; not just his personal position but the fact that he is trying to railroad that position rather than inviting a democratic debate and decision.  It’s the sort of undemocratic shenanigans that I would have expected from Brown, Blair, Smith, Kinnock, etc.

 

My biggest gripe with Corbyn is he's a useless spunkbubble.

Unable to unite the two sides of his zip fly let alone his party

Unable to climb out of the massive antisemitism pit he's part dug himself, part dug by his colleagues and part dug by the conservatives and unionist party

Unable to say anything approaching a coherent policy on brexit

& most damning of all

Unable to lay a glove of the most evil, inept, incompetent and xenophobic CuntyRodeo of a UK government in living memory.

 

I genuinely couldn't give a f**k if he gave Arafat a handjob in Anne Franks loft, he deserves this shitstorm and he should f**k off out of the way. But he won't.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

It would be nice if all those lining up to have a go at Labour, and especially Corbyn, for not having a coherent policy over Brexit, could:

 

a. Tell us what has been coherent about the Tories' inept handling of their "we'll show Johnny Foreigner how much he'll miss us" negotiations which have left us no further down the road than when they knee-jerked Article 50 into being, and 

b. explain exactly what a party in opposition can exactly do about a, other than highlight the incompetence. 

The Manifesto in 2017 was pretty clear, but more has come to the general populace's awareness in the intervening year, so I would expect the upcoming election (and yes, I do think it'll be this year) would see a much more focussed policy from Labour. I just hope you're not too sick of referenda...

As for the media coverage of Corbyn - I've even had people with absolutely no interest in Politics saying that the smear campaign is getting beyond ridiculous, and is damaging the reputations of the Press and the Broadcast media more than it could ever damage our Leader. 

In terms of the internal party strife - had the NEC under McNichol been more optimistic and targetted marginals rather than trying to hang on to safe seats in 2017, none of the above would be relevant, and a lot of homeless/sick/poor wouldn't be dead. 

[welshbairn]

8 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

It would be nice if all those lining up to have a go at Labour, and especially Corbyn, for not having a coherent policy over Brexit, could:

 

a. Tell us what has been coherent about the Tories' inept handling of their "we'll show Johnny Foreigner how much he'll miss us" negotiations which have left us no further down the road than when they knee-jerked Article 50 into being, and 

b. explain exactly what a party in opposition can exactly do about a, other than highlight the incompetence. 

 

Well they could have voted against the "knee-jerked Article 50" for a start, and argued for putting freedom of movement back on the table for negotiation, the thing that is blocking any deal. I haven't heard of any  meaningful difference between Corbyn and May's approach to Brexit.

[williemillersmoustache]

3 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

It would be nice if all those lining up to have a go at Labour, and especially Corbyn, for not having a coherent policy over Brexit, could:

 

a. Tell us what has been coherent about the Tories' inept handling of their "we'll show Johnny Foreigner how much he'll miss us" negotiations which have left us no further down the road than when they knee-jerked Article 50 into being, and 

Whataboutery and labour voted for A50 with no plan and are as guilty as the Cons for setting the countdown clock running. Thus losing any sort of leverage the UK might have had.

b. explain exactly what a party in opposition can exactly do about a, other than highlight the incompetence. 

Oppose. Provide an alternative. Hold the government to account. Corbyn has missed more open goals than Morelos.

The Manifesto in 2017 was pretty clear, but more has come to the general populace's awareness in the intervening year, so I would expect the upcoming election (and yes, I do think it'll be this year) would see a much more focussed policy from Labour. I just hope you're not too sick of referenda...

Labours policy has been to be one 1/2 step less extreme than the Cons on brexit.  A shameful abdication of responsibility. 

As for the media coverage of Corbyn - I've even had people with absolutely no interest in Politics saying that the smear campaign is getting beyond ridiculous, and is damaging the reputations of the Press and the Broadcast media more than it could ever damage our Leader. 

He's in politics. Who the f**k does he think he is? And for labour to moan about unfair treatment from the press when their press releases are the daily running order for BBC Scotchland is breathtaking hypocrisy. He needs to strap on a pair and fight back.  f**k me there must be kids or whores under the patio of a whole host of tory mansions. 

In terms of the internal party strife - had the NEC under McNichol been more optimistic and targetted marginals rather than trying to hang on to safe seats in 2017, none of the above would be relevant, and a lot of homeless/sick/poor wouldn't be dead. 

Maybe but the second there's a GE or god-forbid he gets elected he'll be stabbed in the back by about 40 of his MPs. 

 

[WhiteRoseKillie]

36 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

 

Most of the above are opinions which I respect, despite disagreeing with. The last two, however - I have never seen such a targeted, personal series of attacks with so little substance in my life. The day when the latest smear "proving his anti-semitism" was that, eight years ago, he was in a room where a Holocaust survivor (and respected author) likened the actions of Israel to those of nazi Germany. So, nobody (including the woman who stayed silent for eight fucking years despite remaining for the whole event, unlike Corbyn) saw anything wrong at the time, but now it's further fuel to the campaign. Also, apparently Hajo Meyer is anti-semitic for expressing the opinion he did. Is there anyone more qualified to make the comparison?

Secondly - if the election isn't before Conference season, then there's a lot of red tories' gravy trains about to hit the buffers. I can honestly say that I will rejoice more upon seeing the back of Jess Philips than I will when Johnson goes - he's a total cúnt, but he's from a tribe of cúnts. She - and Umunna, Hoey, et al - have no moral fibre whatsoever and can fúck right off. 

[williemillersmoustache]

4 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

Most of the above are opinions which I respect, despite disagreeing with. The last two, however - I have never seen such a targeted, personal series of attacks with so little substance in my life. The day when the latest smear "proving his anti-semitism" was that, eight years ago, he was in a room where a Holocaust survivor (and respected author) likened the actions of Israel to those of nazi Germany. So, nobody (including the woman who stayed silent for eight fucking years despite remaining for the whole event, unlike Corbyn) saw anything wrong at the time, but now it's further fuel to the campaign. Also, apparently Hajo Meyer is anti-semitic for expressing the opinion he did. Is there anyone more qualified to make the comparison?

Secondly - if the election isn't before Conference season, then there's a lot of red tories' gravy trains about to hit the buffers. I can honestly say that I will rejoice more upon seeing the back of Jess Philips than I will when Johnson goes - he's a total cúnt, but he's from a tribe of cúnts. She - and Umunna, Hoey, et al - have no moral fibre whatsoever and can fúck right off. 

Politics is played for keeps.  The SNP have had to learn that lesson over the last 3-4 years and that there will never, ever be a fair fight in UK politics.

So UK Labour can either get in the gutter and start flinging some shite or f**k off. 

They've got no issues wheeling out sad puppies with sore paws at Holyrood or smearing a 60 year old MSP with breathing problems getting a fucking taxi. So who has stolen UK labours testicles? Jeremy has, the useless lettuce-waving allotment dwelling incompetent fuckface that he is.

 

[Granny Danger]

1 hour ago, williemillersmoustache said:

My biggest gripe with Corbyn is he's a useless spunkbubble.

Unable to unite the two sides of his zip fly let alone his party

Unable to climb out of the massive antisemitism pit he's part dug himself, part dug by his colleagues and part dug by the conservatives and unionist party

Unable to say anything approaching a coherent policy on brexit

& most damning of all

Unable to lay a glove of the most evil, inept, incompetent and xenophobic CuntyRodeo of a UK government in living memory.

 

I genuinely couldn't give a f**k if he gave Arafat a handjob in Anne Franks loft, he deserves this shitstorm and he should f**k off out of the way. But he won't.

I’m assuming that if you post on here you want to be taken seriously.  You don’t deserve to be taken seriously with pish like this.

 

[williemillersmoustache]

I’m assuming that if you post on here you want to be taken seriously.  You don’t deserve to be taken seriously with pish like this.
 

Corbyn doesn't deserve to be taken seriously, a failure at every conceivable level.

A rolling, cartwheeling f**k up of a political leader.

What are Labour? What are they for?

Who knows?

[Suspect Device]

It appears as if the msm will keep this rolling along even though it's a non story which should have died a death.

They failed to make the IRA sympathisers stuff so enough damage to him during the election. Why do they think this will work? Even fewer of the electorate give a f**k about this over say, the NHS, housing, zero hours contracts, austerity, paltry wage increases etc.

[Detournement]

10 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

he election. Why do they think this will work? Even fewer of the electorate give a f**k about this over say, the NHS, housing, zero hours contracts, austerity, paltry wage increases etc.

They obviously hope it will wear down Corbyn and his supporters. It's easy to forget that they had almost managed that before May called the election, a lot of people were becoming dispirited.

It also keeps poor economic figures, bankrupt councils, failing academy chains and the struggling NHS off the news.

 

[Detournement]

23 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

What are Labour? What are they for?

Who knows?

Read the manifesto.

[Cerberus]

26 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Corbyn doesn't deserve to be taken seriously, a failure at every conceivable level.

A rolling, cartwheeling f**k up of a political leader.

What are Labour? What are they for?

Who knows?

Short term-
Chase out the Jews
Hard Brexit
Bring in unworkable socialist policies.
 

 

Long term-
Run out of money.
 

[williemillersmoustache]

5 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Read the manifesto.

We'll nationalise everything but still be out the EU and penniless look here are our detailed sums:

 

[Detournement]

The UK is massively wealthy. It won't become penniless.

Labour produced a progressive manifesto which would end austerity and aim to build an economy and society fit for the 21st century. You are obviously not interested but it's dishonest to claim that they haven't set out an agenda.

[williemillersmoustache]

Just now, Detournement said:

The UK is massively wealthy. It won't become penniless.

Labour produced a progressive manifesto which would end austerity and aim to build an economy and society fit for the 21st century. You are obviously not interested but it's dishonest to claim that they haven't set out an agenda.

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

 

 

[Granny Danger]

1 minute ago, williemillersmoustache said:

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

 

 

Not growing nearly as fast as the national debt of the USA led by that well known leftie Don.... oh, wait.

 

[Fullerene]

28 minutes ago, Detournement said:

They obviously hope it will wear down Corbyn and his supporters. It's easy to forget that they had almost managed that before May called the election, a lot of people were becoming dispirited.

It also keeps poor economic figures, bankrupt councils, failing academy chains and the struggling NHS off the news.

That's it.  Corbyn is unable to set the agenda and define the narrative.

If he talks about anything else - he is dragged back to the issue of anti-semitism.

However, people will watch on and wonder why this issue cannot simply be killed off - why the Labour Party gets bogged down on a definition of anti-semitism.
He should really be saying "any member found guilty of anti-semitism is bringing down the reputation of the party and should be expelled.  End of story.  Let's start talking about more important things."

[NotThePars]

That's it.  Corbyn is unable to set the agenda and define the narrative.
If he talks about anything else - he is dragged back to the issue of anti-semitism.
However, people will watch on and wonder why this issue cannot simply be killed off - why the Labour Party gets bogged down on a definition of anti-semitism.
He should really be saying "any member found guilty of anti-semitism is bringing down the reputation of the party and should be expelled.  End of story.  Let's start talking about more important things."

He did say that and weirdly it didn’t kill the issue.