Israel lobby v Corbyn

[DeeTillEhDeh]

There are only two solutions. Single state with equal rights or 1967 borders.
Single state is infinitely more likely but similar to civil rights in the USA it will take decades. Meanwhile i support Palestinian resistance to occupation.

Much that a one-state solution would be the preferred outcome it just isn't going to happen in the form that you desire because of a variety of factors.

The two-state solution is really the only outcome that a majority of Israelis and Palestinians support - the real debate has always been about what those borders should be for those two states.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Yes they removed that call. Decent of them. 
Though they still call for the Liberation of Palestine from the River to the Sea. 
Which clearly means the land of Israel. 

Their charter has never called for the killing of every israeli man, woman and child. Why shouldn't they want their stolen lands back?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

41 minutes ago, jupe1407 said:

8 hours ago, sureiknow said:

Yes they removed that call. Decent of them. 
Though they still call for the Liberation of Palestine from the River to the Sea. 
Which clearly means the land of Israel. 

Their charter has never called for the killing of every israeli man, woman and child. Why shouldn't they want their stolen lands back?

They've toned down a lot since the new charter came out in 2017.

The old charter had this in it:

 

"'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. 

Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees,  and  the rocks and trees will cry out: 

'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behindme, come and kill him.' (Article 7)"

 

The doubt that many have is that the new charter just pays lip service to a change in attitude - that antisemitism is still at the root of Hamas' ideals.

Edited August 11, 2018 by DeeTillEhDeh

[NotThePars]

If only Hamas could hire as good PR firms as the IDF have they’d be rehabilitated in weeks.

 

[Londonwell]

Recent polling seems to be suggesting Labour tearing itself apart on this has had an effect.

Without getting into the rights and wrongs on the issue, in political terms Labour are, and perhaps forever will be, completely ineffectual.

Continually grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory. 

[Granny Danger]

2 hours ago, Londonwell said:

Recent polling seems to be suggesting Labour tearing itself apart on this has had an effect.

Without getting into the rights and wrongs on the issue, in political terms Labour are, and perhaps forever will be, completely ineffectual.

Continually grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory. 

Example?

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Example?
 

I know you're talking about polling but ineffectual - one word - Brexit.

[JamieThomas]

What are we up to now - day 3583 of this tedious horse shit? All that time/effort spent and it's still abundantly clear that the guy isn't anti-Semitic.

[Jdog]

On 11/08/2018 at 00:31, sureiknow said:

And what exactly are Hamas? 

Peaceful loving Hippies?

They vow to kill all Jewish people in Israel. 

They will not stop untill all Jews there are dead and that includes Children.

Hamas spends about 90 % of their funds on the war against Israel. 

Don't talk shite.

I could also show you hundreds of quotes from Israel politicians, academics, Rabbi's and supporters calling for Palestinians to be wiped of the map, destroyed, pushed into the sea, exterminated etc etc...

Here's just some ...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/palestinians.php#axzz5NwfGZOgh

Edited August 12, 2018 by Jdog

[John Lambies Doos]

Sureiknow having a mare here.

[Londonwell]

11 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Example?

 

YouGov, 2 days ago.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/08/10/voting-intention-conservatives-39-labour-35-8-9-au/

 

Edited August 12, 2018 by Londonwell

[Granny Danger]

9 minutes ago, Londonwell said:

YouGov, 2 days ago.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/08/10/voting-intention-conservatives-39-labour-35-8-9-au/

 

Not sure you can read too much into one poll given recent volatility.  Will be interesting to see if the trend continues.

 

[Londonwell]

1 minute ago, Granny Danger said:

Not sure you can read too much into one poll given recent volatility.  Will be interesting to see if the trend continues.

 

I think the point is; the fact that Labour are up against the most incompetent Tory Government, certainly in my living memory, and the polls are even close, let alone Labour trailing gives an insight into how lowly the British public view them as a party, in their current form. 

[Detournement]

Or just like America people are entreched in their political positions for economic or cultural reasons.

A lot of Tory voices never show up in the media but as an example there are 2.5m buy to let land lords in the UK which when you add in their families makes up a serious Tory block. There are lots of people doing very well out of this shite economy.

[Londonwell]

12 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Or just like America people are entreched in their political positions for economic or cultural reasons.

A lot of Tory voices never show up in the media but as an example there are 2.5m buy to let land lords in the UK which when you add in their families makes up a serious Tory block. There are lots of people doing very well out of this shite economy.

If you accept that argument, you accept perpetual Tory Governments whilst remaining part of the United Kingdom.

On that basis, I’m glad the Yessers can count on your vote during Indy Ref 2.

[Peppino Impastato]

15 minutes ago, Londonwell said:

If you accept that argument, you accept perpetual Tory Governments whilst remaining part of the United Kingdom.

On that basis, I’m glad the Yessers can count on your vote during Indy Ref 2.

It's just a fact the UK is governed by Tories two thirds of the time cause England generally votes Tory.  That's reality.  If you want to remain in the UK you want tto live under a Tory government most of the rest of your life.  To deny that is to deny reality.

[Detournement]

1 hour ago, Londonwell said:

If you accept that argument, you accept perpetual Tory Governments whilst remaining part of the United Kingdom.

On that basis, I’m glad the Yessers can count on your vote during Indy Ref 2.

I'm just pointing out that there are lots of people who will never switch and that problems like housing scarity and low wage growth are actually a positive to a lot of people.

Personally i think the polls under rate Labour but regardless of that non voters becoming voters are the key to a better government.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

Or just like America people are entreched in their political positions for economic or cultural reasons.
A lot of Tory voices never show up in the media but as an example there are 2.5m buy to let land lords in the UK which when you add in their families makes up a serious Tory block. There are lots of people doing very well out of this shite economy.

According to an article in last week's Herald newspaper, last year 75% of Central Edinburgh house purchases were made by persons or companies outwith Scotland, the vast bulk being English based.

This figure was quoted in connection with the explosion of Air BnB lettings in the city.

[NotThePars]

That’s apt as Edinburgh isn’t really a part of Scotland.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

That’s apt as Edinburgh isn’t really a part of Scotland.

You may not be being completely facetious here, by the way. And St Andrews isn't far behind.