Vollyman Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Last season's exodus from the East Juniors meant that, for the first time in a looooong time, maybe ever, there were more senior clubs than junior. At the start of the season there were 130 clubs in the pyramid, and 131 in the juniors. Glenrothes' defection puts the pyramid ahead for the very first time.At least 2 new clubs likely to join the ERJFA would put the juniors ahead again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundesliga Boy Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Vollyman said: At least 2 new clubs likely to join the ERJFA would put the juniors ahead again. That’s assuming there are no further defections to the seniors - which is a very big assumption. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 6 hours ago, GordonS said: Last season's exodus from the East Juniors meant that, for the first time in a looooong time, maybe ever, there were more senior clubs than junior. At the start of the season there were 130 clubs in the pyramid, and 131 in the juniors. Glenrothes' defection puts the pyramid ahead for the very first time. I'm not sure I would count Stirling University EoS, Annan Athletic SoS and Stranraer SoS as individual clubs. Teams certainly, but not clubs. Start of the season I would have it as SFA Pyramid: SPFL (42) + HFL (18) + LFL (16) + EoS (38) + SoS (14) = 128 Since then you've lost Selkirk and now have the potential of adding at least Glenrothes, Glenrothes Strollers and Syngenta = 130 Junior Pyramid: West Region (63) + East Region (36) + North Region (32) = 131 minus Glenrothes with Coupar Angus possibly going into abeyance and additions of Bo'ness United Juniors and Breadalbane = 131 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bundesliga Boy said: That’s assuming there are no further defections to the seniors - which is a very big assumption. But if the SJFA comes into the pyramid en masse as they've suggested, it's all academic anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, Cyclizine said: But if the SJFA comes into the pyramid en masse as they've suggested, it's all academic anyway. I think that's looking unlikely 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 52 minutes ago, Cyclizine said: But if the SJFA comes into the pyramid en masse as they've suggested, it's all academic anyway. Why would Glenrothes move to the EoS if that's happening? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, stanley said: Why would Glenrothes move to the EoS if that's happening? Access to the U20 set up seems to be high on their agenda. They're also ran in quite different ways. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Think the Strollers thing will be what tipped the balance as they won't want to wind up being the EK Thistle to the newly emerging EKFC type club. Beyond that the Linlithgow Thistle amateurs as BUJFC thing looks embarrassing for the ERSJFA more than anything else at this point as it looks like something driven by complete desperation that borders on Walter Mitty sort of territory. They needed the real Bo'ness United to fail to make next season's EoS premier for that to have any chance of working, but that's looking unlikely now after the recent run of good form. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Vollyman said: At least 2 new clubs likely to join the ERJFA would put the juniors ahead again. But I thought you said the juniors are all coming in at tier 6? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vollyman Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 But I thought you said the juniors are all coming in at tier 6?Yes on reflection what’s the point of this discussion the juniors will be in the pyramid starting at level 6. All will be revealed soon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said: I think that's looking unlikely I do agree: there's far too many inconsistencies to iron out for next season (and it's already March). Just pointing out what we're being told by various junior-affiliated posters. If there is a wholesale shift, then seniors/juniors as separate 'grades' ceases to exist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The version of this thread over in the junior section has been locked for some reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Will definitely be interesting to find out why given the next few days are pivotal to what is going to unfold over the next few seasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) Junior thread locked just as I was posting. Thank feck for copy and paste or id have lost this. Btw it's a disgrace whoever locked the topic. In theory the sub lower PWG meeting tomorrow should simply be to action points outstanding in the January minutes. So I review them again to see what is "up in the air". So the 1st outstanding point is the draft play off rules. George Fraser LL now has presumably had another 2 months to get a proposal in place that is accepted or ready for acceptance by the EOS, SOS, SLFL and SFA. In January it was only the EOS who had to run any information past their own board. It was noted by Maxwell that any "stalling for the wrong reasons" may be "considered" by the SFA board. Maxwell also was noted as saying he would produce a proposal to allow the SLFL to progress George Fraser's "Rules" 2nd point is the group discussed the demarcation line and geographical issues. There does not appear to be any indication at this point of objections to a move to the line. Also as the next paragraph is the EOS saying they are not objecting to everything although it looks like they are. They then identify objections in particular to discipline, as opposed to the line (which you would think they would object to). No obvious objection from the LL to anything !! I suspect this will have to be discussed at tomorrows meeting, especially with LL advertising for a vacancy in line with the current demarcation line. 3rd Point is the EOS then finally woke up and kicked of about overlapping geography. TJ warns them to stop going over "old ground" etc. Laura Dougan eventually requests all objections are "aired" promptly as opposed to further down the line. This should mean that tomorrows meeting either finally kills of the EOS objections and moves demarcation etc, or as TJ warns the "Board Directive" (Which is his gospel) is being cast aside by this Sub Group. The SFA statement he was hoping for before now has never materialised (I was genuinly led to believe said statement was forthcoming). Edited March 10, 2019 by superbigal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 Forum mods and opening posters can lock threads? Maybe burnieman has had enough. [emoji38]Lol nothing to do with me, thread looks ok to me, not locked? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 It's open again, so should be possible to post that superbigal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 Junior thread locked just as I was posting. Thank feck for copy and paste or id have lost this. Btw it's a disgrace whoever locked the topic. In theory the sub lower PWG meeting tomorrow should simply be to action points outstanding in the January minutes. So I review them again to see what is "up in the air". So the 1st outstanding point is the draft play off rules. George Fraser LL now has presumably had another 2 months to get a proposal in place that is accepted or ready for acceptance by the EOS, SOS, SLFL and SFA. In January it was only the EOS who had to run any information past their own board. It was noted by Maxwell that any "stalling for the wrong reasons" may be "considered" by the SFA board. Maxwell also was noted as saying he would produce a proposal to allow the SLFL to progress George Fraser's "Rules" 2nd point is the group discussed the demarcation line and geographical issues. There does not appear to be any indication at this point of objections to a move to the line. Also as the next paragraph is the EOS saying they are not objecting to everything although it looks like they are. They then identify objections in particular to discipline, as opposed to the line (which you would think they would object to). No obvious objection from the LL to anything !! I suspect this will have to be discussed at tomorrows meeting, especially with LL advertising for a vacancy in line with the current demarcation line. 3rd Point is the EOS then finally woke up and kicked of about overlapping geography. TJ warns them to stop going over "old ground" etc. Laura Dougan eventually requests all objections are "aired" promptly as opposed to further down the line. This should mean that tomorrows meeting either finally kills of the EOS objections and moves demarcation etc, or as TJ warns the "Board Directive" (Which is his gospel) is being cast aside by this Sub Group. The SFA statement he was hoping for before now has never materialised (I was genuinly led to believe said statement was forthcoming).I'm not aware of the EoS board having discussed the LL play-off rules as currently there is nothing to discuss. Perhaps that will be presented and taken back to board/members after tomorrow. I guess that will also have to be agreed by LL and SoS boards.I'm also lead to believe that the version of the January minutes that were posted up here were not the 'final' version as the EoS wanted some points corrected to reflect what was said. What that relates to I don't know.The comment from Maxwell about "stalling for the wrong reasons" is bizarre, who decides what is wrong or right and what can they do? I'd say that objecting to another league at tier 6 covering the same area, and therefore not voting for their inclusion in the play-off is nowhere near a "wrong reason", it's entirely reasonable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Any EOS objections to minutes will likely be noted in tomorrows minutes. Pretty certain the January document was not rewritten. Hopefully I will receive tomorrows minutes promptly Btw they are not private & confidential. Only the minutes leaked by someone in the EOS board meeting October were. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 Any EOS objections to minutes will likely be noted in tomorrows minutes. Pretty certain the January document was not rewritten. Hopefully I will receive tomorrows minutes promptly Btw they are not private & confidential. Only the minutes leaked by someone in the EOS board meeting October were.IMO tomorrow is last chance saloon for next season given that any plans presented then need to go back to the various leagues and boards for acceptance/rejection, which will take time.Personally I dont think they're anywhere close to agreement in all areas.Then it's onto Tuesday and the ERJFA meeting where whatever is decided on their structure for next season could lead to more clubs heading for EoS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The next 2 weeks are huge here. A couple of important meetings and then afterwards clubs will find themselves in with all the information available (not saying it will be enough info) to make their decisions. IMO your 4-5 deflections away from the EJFA being dead in its current form. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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