Guest JTS98 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: If the difference was just a case of for example trains being privatised or not, more or less regulation, certain different foreign policy objectives then sure. But it isn't. It is as Lancaster University recently termed it social murder.https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/news/austerity-results-in-social-murder-according-to-new-research Supporting the tories has caused in excess of 120000 completely avoidable deaths among our citizens least able to defend themselves from it. Citizens the government is supposed to represent and protect. Suggesting that people who vote for that bear some responsibility and thus cannot be considered good people is not Trumpian it is judging them on foundation level morality. But pretty much any of the major parties would have imposed some form of austerity in recent years. Perhaps resulting in slightly fewer deaths, but still deaths. Would voting for anyone therefore have been immoral? We also know that rising unemployment at any time results in death. So, do people who voted for a government that then overseas a rise in unemployment have blood on their hands? Of course not. The Tories are not governing the country well. But the ultimate blame for what they have been allowed to get away with lies with the media and opposition who are both utterly failing to hold the government to account. Insisting that anyone who votes Tory is a bad person is simply silly and, as I mentioned before, serves to do nothing other than undermine the democratic process. You can argue against austerity, you can argue against voting Tory, you can argue for alternatives. But as soon as you start from the view that Tory voters are bad people, you have nowhere to go and no chance of changing any minds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 If the difference was just a case of for example trains being privatised or not, more or less regulation, certain different foreign policy objectives then sure. But it isn't. It is as Lancaster University recently termed it social murder. https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/news/austerity-results-in-social-murder-according-to-new-researchSupporting the tories has caused in excess of 120000 completely avoidable deaths among our citizens least able to defend themselves from it. Citizens the government is supposed to represent and protect.Suggesting that people who vote for that bear some responsibility and thus cannot be considered good people is not Trumpian it is judging them on foundation level morality.How many of their voters even know about that? For many it’s as simple as ticking a box they’ve always ticked or ‘not trusting that Corbyn guy’. I don’t disagree as such but, shock horror, writing off half the country as murderers doesn’t tend to help win them round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I'm not going to say all Tory voters are arsehole. But if you support Tory policy or/and are a member of the party, then there's no way you can be a good person. Their ideology is built on fucking people over deliberately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Paco said: How many of their voters even know about that? For many it’s as simple as ticking a box they’ve always ticked or ‘not trusting that Corbyn guy’. I don’t disagree as such but, shock horror, writing off half the country as murderers doesn’t tend to help win them round. Sadly your first sentence is spot on. This forum is a microcosm; of all the people on P&B how many post on here regularly? How many even occasionally? Most folk, even the ones who vote regularly, take little or no interest in politics. It effects most aspects of people’s lives but they are simply disinterested. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Resigning again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philyerboots Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Stayed up this late waiting for that. Disappointed tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Phil is losing it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Phil is losing it Can’t lose what you never had 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 8 hours ago, philyerboots said: Here get stuck into these nationalists, a fair bit o eating on one or two of Tommy's troops 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Sky News speculating that he might have resigned again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, sophia said: Sky News speculating that he might have resigned again At least now there are some alternatives to fluffy, of course. Will it be Handsy Thomson, Dougie the linesman, or Luke "Principality" Graham? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 At least now there are some alternatives to fluffy, of course. Will it be Handsy Thomson, Dougie the linesman, or Luke "Principality" Graham?Kirstine Heir would be a laugh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I don't see any of them resigning. It was billed as a free vote last night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Kirstine Heir would be a laughCheers for the reminder of that dippit c**t's existence #seething 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, sophia said: Sky News speculating that he might have resigned again He said he won’t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, jupe1407 said: Cheers for the reminder of that dippit c**t's existence #seething Greenied for using the word dippit. A word I haven't heard in a long time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Yet another non-resignation from Fluffy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Fluffy doesn't do resigning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Mundell never claimed to resign last night, anything suggesting he did is misreporting. He defied a three-line whip, along with three other Cabinet ministers, and is effectively daring the PM to sack him. The PM has lost all authority, and Mundell is taking advantage of that to protect himself with his votes. I suspect there’ll be outright fury in Downing Street, as the amended motion wouldn’t have carried if the four ministers had voted as they were told. But it seems both sides are happy to hide behind miscommunication from the whips. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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