Runners and Riders.... Next PM.

[Granny Danger]

2 hours ago, zidane's child said:

Whenever I want listen to talk shows such as LBC, I'm amazed at the number of callers who phone in and want Boris as PM because of his plans on Brexit.

Is that it? Do you just want a PM based on their plans for one single issue?

What will happen when the EU refuse a number of his plan's or issues, which will likely happen.

There’s nothing to suggest the folk that call in to talk shows are representative.  I’m also wary about recent polls based on hypotheticals.

The demand for Brexit is not as strong as is being suggested.  Amongst traditional Tory voters it may be relatively strong but there are sufficient numbers worried about No Deal to impact upon an election.

I only watched the first 15 minutes last night but reading various reports it seems all five are shit scared of a GE.  The reason they’re shit scared is because they know when it comes the the crunch people will consider the genuine impact of No Deal v Remain.

 

[ICTJohnboy]

22 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

There’s nothing to suggest the folk that call in to talk shows are representative.  I’m also wary about recent polls based on hypotheticals.

The demand for Brexit is not as strong as is being suggested.  Amongst traditional Tory voters it may be relatively strong but there are sufficient numbers worried about No Deal to impact upon an election.

I only watched the first 15 minutes last night but reading various reports it seems all five are shit scared of a GE.  The reason they’re shit scared is because they know when it comes the the crunch people will consider the genuine impact of No Deal v Remain.

 

 

What do you base that comment on?

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

There’s nothing to suggest the folk that call in to talk shows are representative.  I’m also wary about recent polls based on hypotheticals.

The demand for Brexit is not as strong as is being suggested.  Amongst traditional Tory voters it may be relatively strong but there are sufficient numbers worried about No Deal to impact upon an election.

I only watched the first 15 minutes last night but reading various reports it seems all five are shit scared of a GE.  The reason they’re shit scared is because they know when it comes the the crunch people will consider the genuine impact of No Deal v Remain.

 

I must admit that the share forums in which I post all seem to be around 60% to 70% in favour of Brexit at all costs and any costs.

These people are what you would deem to be educated and have money, however they're also hardcore Conservatives and they all seem to see the EU as some sort of oppressor that makes their lives a misery, however when challenged they can't give you anything other than the old "immigration" card and the fact that they see the EU as a "failed socialist experiment" as they put it.

Unfortunately, it's these very types that will be responsible for shaping our future and is exactly why we must distance ourselves from this suicidal hell before it's too late.................

[ICTJohnboy]

2 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

I must admit that the share forums in which I post all seem to be around 60% to 70% in favour of Brexit at all costs and any costs.

These people are what you would deem to be educated and have money, however they're also hardcore Conservatives and they all seem to see the EU as some sort of oppressor that makes their lives a misery, however when challenged they can't give you anything other than the old "immigration" card and the fact that they see the EU as a "failed socialist experiment" as they put it.

Unfortunately, it's these very types that will be responsible for shaping our future and is exactly why we must distance ourselves from this suicidal hell before it's too late.................

 

It's not just Conservatives who believe that the EU is making their lives a misery.

I (for my sins) am presently living in fairly traditional Labour heartland in the NW of England, and quite honestly I've lost count of the numbers who have told me they've voted Labour all their lives but would now switch to the Tories under Boris.

It always upsets Granny when I say this but I'm convinced there are many, many more in England who favour Leaving over Remaining.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

It's not just Conservatives who believe that the EU is making their lives a misery.

I (for my sins) am presently living in fairly traditional Labour heartland in the NW of England, and quite honestly I've lost count of the numbers who have told me they've voted Labour all their lives but would now switch to the Tories under Boris.

It always upsets Granny when I say this but I'm convinced there are many, many more in England who favour Leaving over Remaining.

Similar to Scotland, I believe it still to be a pretty close run thing.

There's so many people stuck in their ways who won't listen to any contrary views, they have their own ideas and beliefs and no amount of facts or arguments will change their viewpoint.

We actually have a situation where the more evidence and reasons given for not doing something is making them more entrenched and stubborn and of course that can be a very dangerous thing.........

[Ross.]

3 hours ago, Alert Mongoose said:

To be fair, if the SNP disappeared tomorrow and the only party standing in Scotland for Independence was the Monster Raving Looney party, I'd vote for them. 

Brexit was, and always will be, England's defacto 'independence vote'. 

It's now or never for us. 

I've long believed and have stated on here in the past that English nationalism was the thing that would see Scotland independent. We'll get it when they decide they don't need us anymore.

2 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said:

As soon as Boris is instilled as PM, Nic should call it. Stop fucking about...

Tempting, but I think they will wait until the EU has told him to f**k off and accept what has been agreed on.

28 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

I must admit that the share forums in which I post all seem to be around 60% to 70% in favour of Brexit at all costs and any costs.

These people are what you would deem to be educated and have money, however they're also hardcore Conservatives and they all seem to see the EU as some sort of oppressor that makes their lives a misery, however when challenged they can't give you anything other than the old "immigration" card and the fact that they see the EU as a "failed socialist experiment" as they put it.

Unfortunately, it's these very types that will be responsible for shaping our future and is exactly why we must distance ourselves from this suicidal hell before it's too late.................

A lot of changes in the finance world over the last couple of decades have impacted those types. Things like Mifid and an increased need to satisfy KYC and Beneficial Ownership disclosure have resulted in increased costs and paperwork that they simply cannot be bothered with. It was all so much easier when they could just ask the family advisor to look after it all for them and make returns with no questions asked...

19 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

It's not just Conservatives who believe that the EU is making their lives a misery.

I (for my sins) am presently living in fairly traditional Labour heartland in the NW of England, and quite honestly I've lost count of the numbers who have told me they've voted Labour all their lives but would now switch to the Tories under Boris.

It always upsets Granny when I say this but I'm convinced there are many, many more in England who favour Leaving over Remaining.

Ironic that Central and Northern England, having been largely ignored by the London-centric political setup for a very very long time, are the areas that are about to f**k London and the South East big time by forcing Brexit onto them. Very much a case of cutting off their nose to spite their face, given the damage it will do when the EU development funds that have helped so much are suddenly stopped and not adequately replaced by the UK Government.

[John Lambies Doos]

 
It's not just Conservatives who believe that the EU is making their lives a misery.
I (for my sins) am presently living in fairly traditional Labour heartland in the NW of England, and quite honestly I've lost count of the numbers who have told me they've voted Labour all their lives but would now switch to the Tories under Boris.
It always upsets Granny when I say this but I'm convinced there are many, many more in England who favour Leaving over Remaining.

Everything upsets Granny. He's an angry man.

[Granny Danger]

23 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

It's not just Conservatives who believe that the EU is making their lives a misery.

I (for my sins) am presently living in fairly traditional Labour heartland in the NW of England, and quite honestly I've lost count of the numbers who have told me they've voted Labour all their lives but would now switch to the Tories under Boris.

It always upsets Granny when I say this but I'm convinced there are many, many more in England who favour Leaving over Remaining.

The only thing that ‘upsets’ me is your inability to understand the difference between anecdotal evidence and properly constructed polls.

If Johnson was so certain he would get support he would be publically stating his intention to call a GE.  Instead he’s shitting himself at the prospect as are his leadership rivals.

 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

No great surprise. Anunnziata Rees Mogg before becoming a brexit MEP earned her money writing about how droughts in India were good news for tea commodity speculators.

That being said I've generally found people who post a lot online about their investments are not the brightest.

Yes, you have a point there.

In fairness the Lloyds thread on ADVFN has been the "Brexit" thread for the past couple of years as opposed to anything about Lloyds.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Ross. said:

I've long believed and have stated on here in the past that English nationalism was the thing that would see Scotland independent. We'll get it when they decide they don't need us anymore.

Tempting, but I think they will wait until the EU has told him to f**k off and accept what has been agreed on.

A lot of changes in the finance world over the last couple of decades have impacted those types. Things like Mifid and an increased need to satisfy KYC and Beneficial Ownership disclosure have resulted in increased costs and paperwork that they simply cannot be bothered with. It was all so much easier when they could just ask the family advisor to look after it all for them and make returns with no questions asked...

Ironic that Central and Northern England, having been largely ignored by the London-centric political setup for a very very long time, are the areas that are about to f**k London and the South East big time by forcing Brexit onto them. Very much a case of cutting off their nose to spite their face, given the damage it will do when the EU development funds that have helped so much are suddenly stopped and not adequately replaced by the UK Government.

Yes, there's no doubt about this at all which will hopefully be when the penny will finally drop, although it may come as a shock to them that their London based masters care as little for them as they do for Scotland, NI or Wales.

I suppose the only thing you can say in their defence is that they had been screwed over by Labour, screwed over by the Lib Dems when in cahoots with the Tories and majorly screwed over by the Tories themselves, so unlike Scotland, who had the SNP, Brexit may indeed have been their only "out" as it were.........

[Ross.]

58 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Yes, there's no doubt about this at all which will hopefully be when the penny will finally drop, although it may come as a shock to them that their London based masters care as little for them as they do for Scotland, NI or Wales.

I suppose the only thing you can say in their defence is that they had been screwed over by Labour, screwed over by the Lib Dems when in cahoots with the Tories and majorly screwed over by the Tories themselves, so unlike Scotland, who had the SNP, Brexit may indeed have been their only "out" as it were.........

I can understand Brexit as a protest vote against the status quo. The problem is that too many didn't actually know what they should have been protesting against.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Ross. said:

I can understand Brexit as a protest vote against the status quo. The problem is that too many didn't actually know what they should have been protesting against.

No, that's the problem with giving the general public a vote.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Johnson is going to be found out big time as PM - completely useless when it comes to detail and his blustering style will be poor in debates.

 

Suspect he'll make Corbyn look like a world beating orator.

 

 

[Ross.]

38 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Johnson is going to be found out big time as PM - completely useless when it comes to detail and his blustering style will be poor in debates.

Suspect he'll make Corbyn look like a world beating orator.

I'm still not convinced he will take the job this time. The more I think about it, the more I see Rory Stewart as the perfect patsy for the pro-brexit lot. We all know the whole thing is going to be a shit show, and what better was to deal with it than blaming a guy who clearly isn't behind it anyway. Boris will follow when it can't be laid at his door.

[Sooky]

You have to admire the unconventional techniques that Stewart is employing...

[Granny Danger]

So the last four could all be white, public school educated males?

The widely diverse Conservative Party membership won’t be happy with this.

 

[welshbairn]

Stewart's out as expected.

[John Lambies Doos]

Stewart's out as expected.

Good he's a c**t. Oh wait........

[UsedToGoToCentralPark]

So the last four could all be white, public school educated males?
The widely diverse Conservative Party membership won’t be happy with this.
 

How many female leaders has Labour had never mind Prime Ministers?

[welshbairn]

Rumours that Johnson farmed out a few votes to Stewart to finish off his hard core brexit rival, Raab, then withdrew them to finish the annoying questions off in today's round.