Fullerene Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 51 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: Why did it end? Didn't they achieve utopia? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Ralstonite said: I can't think of any socialist (communist technically being when the utopian vision has been achieved) countries that I'd like to have lived in. I'd rather live in Florida than Cuba, South Korea than North Korea and West Germany than East Germany... South Korea may be a respectable country now but in the days of dictatorship it certainly was not. Kim Dae Jung was president between 1998 and 2003 and even won the Nobel Peace Prize in spite of the fact that previous leaders had tried to have him killed. On one occasion the CIA intervened just in time before he was about to be thrown into the sea with weights tied to him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Ralstonite said: I can't think of any socialist (communist technically being when the utiopian vision has been achieved) countries that I'd like to have lived in. I'd rather live in Florida than Cuba, South Korea than North Korea and West Germany than East Germany... None of those are 'Socialist' states. Read some Marx then you'll understand what socialism is. It's not philanthropy, it's not tyranny, it cannot be forced on people, they must desire it and it must be global. The people in power make it difficult for people, like you, to understand it. It is simple, though. 'Give according to your ability and take according to your needs' sums it up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Ralstonite said: I can't think of any socialist (communist technically being when the utiopian vision has been achieved) countries that I'd like to have lived in. I'd rather live in Florida than Cuba, South Korea than North Korea and West Germany than East Germany... I suppose it would depend on your lifestyle within these countries. I'm sure having a job, food, access to medical care and a heated home in East Germany would be far preferable to being homeless in Florida with no health insurance or living in damp filled slum housing in the UK and relying on foodbanks to feed your kids............. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Suspect Device said: I'd quite like to live in a 'socialist' country like Denmark or the Netherlands. And f**k living in Florida. 100%, with Norway another shining example of sensible socialism that works for all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Suspect Device said: I'd quite like to live in a 'socialist' country like Denmark or the Netherlands. And f**k living in Florida. Denmark and the Netherlands are both monarchies and have billionaire citizens. Is that what you class as socialism? 4 hours ago, cyderspaceman said: None of those are 'Socialist' states. Read some Marx then you'll understand what socialism is. It's not philanthropy, it's not tyranny, it cannot be forced on people, they must desire it and it must be global. The people in power make it difficult for people, like you, to understand it. It is simple, though. 'Give according to your ability and take according to your needs' sums it up. Ach, the old "that's not real socialism spiel..." It's been decades since I read Marx, but I thought he predicted a revolution whereby the proles overthrew the bourgeoisie, and took control of the means of production. 1 hour ago, WATTOO said: 100%, with Norway another shining example of sensible socialism that works for all. Another monarchy with billionaire citizens. The Soviet Union and pre-1980s China are examples of proper Socialist states, whereby everything is nationalised and a command economy is used to allocate resources. Of course there were shortages and queues, and anybody who mentioned this was considered a saboteur trying to weaken morale and accused of crimes like 'wrecking' which was punishable with death. The state is your employer, trade union, landlord and controls all the media, police, the army and what you can buy and at what price. Both were also responsible for the deaths of millions of their citizens. Edited January 7, 2020 by Ralstonite -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baxter Parp Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: Another monarchy with billionaire citizens. What have you got against billionaires? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, Baxter Parp said: What have you got against billionaires? They're hardly compatible with socialist dogma, are they? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, Ralstonite said: They're hardly compatible with socialist dogma, are they? Why not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Baxter Parp said: Why not? Because no country is the world is totally free of poverty, and the presence of billionaires indicates extreme wealth inequality. One person struggles to pay their bills and feed themselves and another has more than one thousand million pounds in assets. I am not a socialist, but as a Christian I find that obscene and were I a billionaire I would be uncomfortable with that knowledge and likely give away hundreds of millions of pounds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: Because no country is the world is totally free of poverty, and the presence of billionaires indicates extreme wealth inequality. One person struggles to pay their bills and feed themselves and another has more than one thousand million pounds in assets. I am not a socialist, but as a Christian I find that obscene and were I a billionaire I would be uncomfortable with that knowledge and likely give away hundreds of millions of pounds. That's commie talk son! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Because no country is the world is totally free of poverty, and the presence of billionaires indicates extreme wealth inequality. One person struggles to pay their bills and feed themselves and another has more than one thousand million pounds in assets. I am not a socialist, but as a Christian I find that obscene and were I a billionaire I would be uncomfortable with that knowledge and likely give away hundreds of millions of pounds.Are you thinking of communism? Socialism means yes, there is wealth, but far less inequality and almost zero poverty (by the UK's standards) There are always people who want to live their own life off the grid or travelling so there will always people who lack modern facilities or wealth but that's a choice rather than a widespread condition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, welshbairn said: That's commie talk son! No, it's human decency. I believe in a welfare state and would even nationalise more industries, but I despise socialism. 6 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: 19 minutes ago, Ralstonite said: Because no country is the world is totally free of poverty, and the presence of billionaires indicates extreme wealth inequality. One person struggles to pay their bills and feed themselves and another has more than one thousand million pounds in assets. I am not a socialist, but as a Christian I find that obscene and were I a billionaire I would be uncomfortable with that knowledge and likely give away hundreds of millions of pounds. Are you thinking of communism? Socialism means yes, there is wealth, but far less inequality and almost zero poverty (by the UK's standards) There are always people who want to live their own life off the grid or travelling so there will always people who lack modern facilities or wealth but that's a choice rather than a widespread condition. Definition of socialism: noun a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milnzo Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 https://www.rt.com/news/477674-alasad-airbase-rockets-iraq/ Bye 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 https://www.rt.com/news/477674-alasad-airbase-rockets-iraq/ ByeYup. That's a pretty major escalation, depending on the casualties, which are unknown at the moment. f**k knows how trump handles this. Hopefully the Iranians have some cool heads in charge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 A dozen ballistic missiles launched from Iran have been confirmed, targeting US/Iraqi bases in Iraq. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, pandarilla said: A dozen ballistic missiles launched from Iran have been confirmed, targeting US/Iraqi bases in Iraq. Wow! Trump's promised retaliation. This is exactly what he wants. Edited January 8, 2020 by Ralstonite 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 War has broken out on twitter, not sure if this counts as an escalation. #IranVsUSA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 I'm not sure who I support in this war. On the one hand I despise US interference in the Middle East, on the other hand I hate the wicked Iranian regime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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