Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[ayrmad]

Just now, bendan said:

Sweden is definitely interesting, though they themselves are at pains to point out that they are doing social distancing, just with more self policing.

I know they are but they still have far more of a social life than us whilst having their daily deaths and ICU use slowing markedly over the last 8 or 9 days. 

[Granny Danger]

35 minutes ago, eindhovendee said:

As I am in the 45-64 group I clapped an extra 5 minutes last night to make up for some posters not clapping.

Can see me clapping for 15 minutes next week.

Nice to see a Dundee fan with something to clap about.

[ayrmad]

Furlough scheme extended until end of June, doesn't point to a big party in a few weeks. 

[throbber]

1 minute ago, ayrmad said:

Furlough scheme extended until end of June, doesn't point to a big party in a few weeks. 

I’m still going to drink excessively.

[Guest JTS98]

The decision about when to end the lockdown period is a great moment to stop and ponder one of life's best philosophical questions. What is the value of a human life? In a morbid way, it's a great thought. I've spent a lot of today talking with different people about it.

Obviously, the lockdown must end at some point. The virus will not be completely gone, so some people will die who would have lived had the lockdown gone on for longer.

However, we obviously accept human death all the time. Smoking and drinking are both legal, it is legal to drive your car relatively fast, we know that a number of human beings will die in plane crashes every year, we allow Aberdeen to play away games on winter days with bad weather which means more people will drive up and down the country in bad conditions and potentially die.

We find death acceptable. Society couldn't function otherwise.

So, how many deaths are acceptable collateral damage for us to be able to go back to work or out for a pint again?

It's a funny question because while the victims are just a number, it's relatively easy. If you say two extra people will die, that sounds ok. But If you showed me a picture of the two people and their families and said 'These two people will die', I'd find it much harder.

Enough. Let's find P&B's biggest psychopath. What's your acceptable number of deaths to get back out?

[ICTChris]

I think there's a middle way between happy clappy, Diana syndrome sentimentality and being a tungsten coated misanthrope.

[Guest JTS98]

6 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

I know they are but they still have far more of a social life than us whilst having their daily deaths and ICU use slowing markedly over the last 8 or 9 days. 

Have you ever met a Swedish person?

[bendan]

1 minute ago, JTS98 said:

The decision about when to end the lockdown period is a great moment to stop and ponder one of life's best philosophical questions. What is the value of a human life? In a morbid way, it's a great thought. I've spent a lot of today talking with different people about it.

Obviously, the lockdown must end at some point. The virus will not be completely gone, so some people will die who would have lived had the lockdown gone on for longer.

However, we obviously accept human death all the time. Smoking and drinking are both legal, it is legal to drive your car relatively fast, we know that a number of human beings will die in plane crashes every year, we allow Aberdeen to play away games on winter days with bad weather which means more people will drive up and down the country in bad conditions and potentially die.

We find death acceptable. Society couldn't function otherwise.

So, how many deaths are acceptable collateral damage for us to be able to go back to work or out for a pint again?

It's a funny question because while the victims are just a number, it's relatively easy. If you say two extra people will die, that sounds ok. But If you showed me a picture of the two people and their families and said 'These two people will die', I'd find it much harder.

Enough. Let's find P&B's biggest psychopath. What's your acceptable number of deaths to get back out?

It's an interesting question, but it's one governments already face. They often decide whether a safety upgrade on a road, for example, is worthwhile or not based on the years of life they save. There are economists who specialise in this kind of work.

[Guest JTS98]

1 minute ago, bendan said:

It's an interesting question, but it's one governments already face. They often decide whether a safety upgrade on a road, for example, is worthwhile or not based on the years of life they save. There are economists who specialise in this kind of work.

Yeah, of course.

Same for lots of things in society. If we didn't accept death, speed limits for cars would be walking pace.

But I'm asking YOU, psycho. How many people are you willing to write off for a pint?

[ayrmad]

4 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

Have you ever met a Swedish person?

Plenty, they love their bevvy. 

[greendot]

1 minute ago, ayrmad said:

Plenty, they love their bevvy. 

 

[bendan]

1 minute ago, JTS98 said:

How many people are you willing to write off for a pint?

You should write for the Guardian.

[ayrmad]

6 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

The decision about when to end the lockdown period is a great moment to stop and ponder one of life's best philosophical questions. What is the value of a human life? In a morbid way, it's a great thought. I've spent a lot of today talking with different people about it.

Obviously, the lockdown must end at some point. The virus will not be completely gone, so some people will die who would have lived had the lockdown gone on for longer.

However, we obviously accept human death all the time. Smoking and drinking are both legal, it is legal to drive your car relatively fast, we know that a number of human beings will die in plane crashes every year, we allow Aberdeen to play away games on winter days with bad weather which means more people will drive up and down the country in bad conditions and potentially die.

We find death acceptable. Society couldn't function otherwise.

So, how many deaths are acceptable collateral damage for us to be able to go back to work or out for a pint again?

It's a funny question because while the victims are just a number, it's relatively easy. If you say two extra people will die, that sounds ok. But If you showed me a picture of the two people and their families and said 'These two people will die', I'd find it much harder.

Enough. Let's find P&B's biggest psychopath. What's your acceptable number of deaths to get back out?

I've told those closest to me that I'm only doing this 12 week stint on my own once, might change my mind when more pressure comes from them nearer the time, this ain't life and certainly not what's going to float my boat for another 12 to 18 months. 

[Guest JTS98]

1 minute ago, bendan said:

You should write for the Guardian.

No. Then my headline would be.

Are LGBTQ+ people of colour and women suffering disproportionally from YOUR choice of number of acceptable deaths?

[The DA]

5 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

Yeah, of course.

Same for lots of things in society. If we didn't accept death, speed limits for cars would be walking pace.

But I'm asking YOU, psycho. How many people are you willing to write off for a pint?

Are we allowed to write off for a pint now?  Excellent.  

[Guest JTS98]

2 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

I've told those closest to me that I'm only doing this 12 week stint on my own once, might change my mind when more pressure comes from them nearer the time, this ain't life and certainly not what's going to float my boat for another 12 to 18 months. 

One day at a time, mate. Don't look too far ahead. There's just no point.

[Todd_is_God]

23 minutes ago, mizfit said:

307 new cases in Scotland, yesterday there was 354 new cases. Are we currently plateauing on the curve or is it a genuine downturn in cases?

I think we are probably on the edge of the plateau ready to see a decline any day now. Unfortunately we are going in to the weekend so it wont be until Wednesday we can see it that is true or not.

The death figures are all over the place but if you bear in mind the weekend reporting and subsequent lag, there appears to be a levelling off there too.

I agree with @jagfox99 but the next 2-3 weeks should hopefully bring encouraging numbers.

[coprolite]

8 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

Yeah, of course.

Same for lots of things in society. If we didn't accept death, speed limits for cars would be walking pace.

But I'm asking YOU, psycho. How many people are you willing to write off for a pint?

Can we choose who or is it random?

[Ya Bezzer!]

3 minutes ago, bendan said:

I don't think those stats tell us much other than it's not rising significantly. Other stats like ambulance calls and ICU patients suggest things are getting a bit better.

We could plateau out but with sizeable numbers of new cases and deaths every day.

The only longer term stats are from China and those are highly suspect.  If you look at Italy, although it looks it has peaked there, they are still posting high numbers of new cases and deaths.  Since Italy crossed the 250 deaths-a-day mark, about 9 weeks ago, there has only been one day in which it has dropped below that and that was the day after.

It could be that numbers significantly drop over the next month or next few months but you also have a concern that for the foreseeable future, perhaps until a vaccine is developed, even countries that have peaked will still see hundreds of deaths on a daily basis.

 

 

[Guest JTS98]

2 minutes ago, coprolite said:

Can we choose who or is it random?

It has to be random when you choose the number, but then you will have them identified to you and have to visit their homes to tell them and their families that they're getting the bullet for your pint.