Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[DeeTillEhDeh]

91% of deaths according to the ONS figures yesterday involved people who had one or more underlying health condition and IIRC nearly one quarter of deaths were in the 80-85 age category alone.  The death rate from heart disease and other chronic illnesses has also slumped accordingly. 
Fit and healthy people are highly unlikely to be affected badly -unless of course they’re having to cut masks from bin bags to use in a hospital or care setting due to this incompetent government.

70% were also clinically obese - and we are all aware of the increase in underlying health isdues Iin tgag group.

There will also be some on that group who might have an underlying health problem that just hasn't been diagnosed.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Thoughts and prayers with the folk who read that dorlomin post.
I was also browsing P&B, could have been me.

It was a tl;dr from me.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

dorlomin bringing the often fractious community of Pie and Bovril together by posting unparalleled cringe. You love to see it. Godspeed, brother.

All it needs is Oaksoft to try and white knight him.

[madwullie]

1 hour ago, Bairnardo said:

The only way this would ever happen is if prior to the relaxation phase the govt are given tangible evidence that the BAME community are for some reason more susceptible to the extent that they are then classed as vulnerable in the same way as old people and those with underlying conditions.

 

Edit to add, some folk will of course act like dicks.

 

Regarding the age thing, my thoughts are that the govt will hammer over 65s for months of different measures from the rest of us.

 

Social distancing and contact tracing will see yer healthy younger folk getting the country moving again.

 

This could work (contact tracing) along with mass testing, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence at all that the government are preparing for this. (I don't count them saying it as evidence btw) 

[ayrmad]

1 minute ago, madwullie said:

This could work (contact tracing) along with mass testing, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence at all that the government are preparing for this. (I don't count them saying it as evidence btw) 

They couldn't contact me if I gave them my phone number. 

[Thereisalight..]

27 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

At the end of Jan start of Feb my uncle died of pneumonia. He was in a care home and was struggling with dementia and a hip problem. He also had copd.
Didnt think much of it but then at work four other people all lost their parents due to similar issues.
Probably just the flu season but it was the biggest amount of people off work at the same time through bereavement that I've ever seen.
There was an outbreak in Seattle as well but i think this was identified as normal flu.

You would think that there must be some way of tracing it but it's so widespread now. Wonder if you can tell if it's a euro version or Asian. I have no idea about this stuff.

My Dad died first week of Feb with symptoms very similar to covid. They made my Mum and I wear gowns, face masks and rubber gloves to go in and see him. I thought this was very odd as they’d already told us he wasn’t going to live any longer than a day

[Granny Danger]

45 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

On 16/04/2020 at 18:04, Granny Danger said:

Fewer than 100 full planes yes.  I’m guessing (and it’s no more than a guess) that the capacity on individual flights will be well down at the moment.
I wouldn’t go on a plane at the moment for any reason.  I know some folk MUST but 105,000 a week cannot all be essential travel.

Will some of these not be those who had problems getting back from various countries due to flights being cancelled?

Apparently still 65,000 Britons still trying to get home.  So some of the them yes but not 15,000 every day.

[madwullie]

30 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

At the end of Jan start of Feb my uncle died of pneumonia. He was in a care home and was struggling with dementia and a hip problem. He also had copd.
Didnt think much of it but then at work four other people all lost their parents due to similar issues.
Probably just the flu season but it was the biggest amount of people off work at the same time through bereavement that I've ever seen.
There was an outbreak in Seattle as well but i think this was identified as normal flu.

You would think that there must be some way of tracing it but it's so widespread now. Wonder if you can tell if it's a euro version or Asian. I have no idea about this stuff.

There are claims that the New York outbreak was initiated by Europeans, not Chinese, so there must be some way of telling them apart.(i imagine) 

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, madwullie said:

There are claims that the New York outbreak was initiated by Europeans, not Chinese, so there must be some way of telling them apart.(i imagine) 

They're talking about Covid19 being mainly brought over by Italians, Brits, Spanish etc, not old men in Scotland dying from pneumonia in the winter with multiple underlying conditions. Happened to my Dad too as it happens a couple of years ago, used to be referred to as the old man's friend when they'd been through enough. 

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1251190517142114304

Has this been posted yet?

Cuomo telling it to Trump.  

[tamthebam]

3 hours ago, Gaz said:

"Craig, do you know anything about viruses?"

"I went to Lithuania to look at this Covid Virus but he wasn't wearing No 19..."

[Theroadlesstravelled]

They have started antibody testing in Santa Clara county.

It looks like there is somewhere between 50- and 80-fold more infections than the known number of cases.

It drops the death rate significantly to around 0.1%.

[ayrmad]

52 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1251190517142114304

Has this been posted yet?

Cuomo telling it to Trump.  

Fake news 

[ayrmad]

20 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

They have started antibody testing in Santa Clara county.

It looks like there is somewhere between 50- and 80-fold more infections than the known number of cases.

It drops the death rate significantly to around 0.1%.

If that were the case we'd only need 1 wave here and Sweden must be killing extra just to be sure. 

[D.A.F.C]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/world/europe/coronavirus-antibody-test-uk.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR1sV0AAR7db72niM8o7Z7lBtFGgFM1ItZ2Xak2Uezx7OOEGEfZVurOBxRc
 

uk paid $20M for defective antibody test

Edited April 17, 2020 by D.A.F.C

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

4 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

Fake news 

You know what gets on my tits about Trump (apart from the obvious) is that nobody gets him telt. Everyone just lets him slaver shite. 

[beefybake]

2 hours ago, PauloPerth said:

 

I didn't say we've been played, not really sure what you're on about there?  I said we've been poor at tallying and reporting deaths in the uk and in Scotland.

The uk had its first death on March 5th, Scotland on 13th March.

This was months after we knew the virus was headed our way so could have set up appropriate reporting and monitoring mechanisms.  And yet, somehow, it's as if our authorities completely forgot about the most vulnerable and at risk members of our society, to the point that we only started hearing about deaths in care homes in the past week or so.

You completely missed the point; that if an advanced country like us have struggled to tally and report it accurately, then in poorer countries with less developed communication networks, the figures could well be miles away from what we're hearing.

In,  poorer countries, there is far less international travel, so perhaps this may help to keep the deaths down.

Tbf to the useless toerags of a Westmister government, it wasn't quite months when they sat there with their fingers up their bottoms.

However it was long enough so that when they did finally realise that a sh*tstorm had arrived,  panic mode ensued, so I'm not surprised at variations

in the accuracy of reporting mechanisms....,  at first.  

What I do find almost unbelievable, incredulous really......., is that all these weeks into this...., the government almost seems to have just discovered that

care homes exist.     

[Todd_is_God]

12 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

If that were the case we'd only need 1 wave here and Sweden must be killing extra just to be sure. 

If we apply the upper limit of 85x here, it brings the fatality rate down to 0.15%

For Sweden, a country which has largely avoided any restrictions, it would be 0.12%

[ayrmad]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

If we apply the upper limit of 85x here, it brings the fatality rate down to 0.15%

For Sweden, a country which has largely avoided any restrictions, it would be 0.12%

Yes, 1 wave, ain't happening. 

[Herman Hessian]

14 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

You know what gets on my tits about Trump (apart from the obvious) is that nobody gets him telt. Everyone just lets him slaver shite. 

you only have to look at those gun-toting p***ks in michigan to understand why - they're not even responsible for themselves, let alone being sufficiently aware to understand the concept of anyone else being accountable for anything, unless they're muslim of course...