vikingTON Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 45 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: what we call poverty in this country is simply not having the disposable income that the majority of people do, absolute poverty where your income is not enough to cover the most basic essentials , food, clothing, electricity /gas, communications , shelter & tax ( the last 2 are most often waived by means of benefits and credit in cases where the persons situation warrents applying for help) is very rare in the uk, it does exist but it is not as widespread as people make out. There are a number of factors why someone might slip through the cracks and fall from standard first world poverty to genuinely struggling to feed themselves and keep the lights on, the most common of which is when people with severe vulnerabilities are treated as tho they are any other person and just need to pull their socks up when they are in fact not capable of handling budgets and responsabilitys On paper the uk welfare system should make absolute poverty non existant , but it needs to be properly managed I agree, and the point here is that relative poverty is not a valid reason for breaking the single most important restriction right now. And it's certainly not one for those in the 60% of average wage bracket and above, who will be the vast majority of those evading self-isolation procedures because they don't want to rather than because they literally cannot afford to do so. If there is any single behaviour that needs clamped down on (while also raising SSP for all causes of illness) then it is this. We are wasting everybody's time and a shit ton of resources elsewhere by not driving that compliance rate up to the 80-90s per cent like everything else. 38 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: Addressing the bolded bit, as at least the words appear in a coherent order: Nobody, as far as I know, has ever claimed that there is one factor - any one factor - driving the low compliance over self-isolation. Nobody with the slightest empathy has ever denied that economic hardship is a factor. Yet you appear to have picked this hill to die on. Scared to quote my entire post, I take it, as besides being a reasoned argument when not cherry-picked, it pointed out a piece of gross misquoting on your part. As does this pathetic little brainfart. Off you scurry, little fella, and find where the two-metre guidance formed ANY part of my point. Or accept that, like the Morton team who used to do more than most to fill the RP treatment room back in the day, playing the man is much your style than playing the ball. Where to even begin with this Catherine wheel of utter fail. Spoiler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 26 minutes ago, WATTOO said: So what's the point in laws then ? If people don't "fancy" doing something then they just don't do it as there's no deterrent, pretty soon we descend into complete lawlessness and I don't understand what people don't get about that ? If you can give me your view as opposed to the pathetic response that you've given, then maybe we could have a debate ?? What complete lawlessness are you talking about?! Jails are already overcrowded. Completely unnecessarily jailing people further adds to this. Jailing people, causing them to lose their home, income etc, simply adds to a cycle that increases the chances of someone returning there. Utterly pointless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) One of my neighbours have both their parents round to their house regularly to help with childcare. Also they park like inconsiderate c***s. I would be in favour of jail time. Edited January 25, 2021 by Dons_1988 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Anyone know if a Covid fine shows up on criminal record checks? If so that would be a deterrent for those that need such things for their jobs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: Again, why is this funny? It's not funny. It's laughably bad. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Left Back said: Anyone know if a Covid fine shows up on criminal record checks? If so that would be a deterrent for those that need such things for their jobs. It’s a fixed penalty notice, so it wouldn’t. Not that we should be criminalising people either. Again, achieves nothing, other than being destructive to more people’s lives. The vast majority of people are following the guidelines, we don’t need more punitive actions. Likes of Johnson blaming the public leads to this, when in reality the issue is theirs and all about trying to pass blame. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scosha Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 13/01/2021 at 12:27, Scosha said: I would gladly get up at 2am for a jag if it meant everyone getting back to normal more quickly. This constant 'oh we might do this' approach to everything from the SG is pathetic. We know you'll end up doing it at some point, just do it now ffs. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55798793 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tout P'ti FC Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Borders up 11% since Friday, from 124.7 up to 138.5. Three successive days of increases now, which seems to be driven by Hawick, Eyemouth, Jedburgh and Melrose. Or almost all of the populated bits of the area! My locality (rural) is at 129.5 now, was at 48.6 just a few days back. Although given the small denominator, that's only showing an increase from 3 to 8 cases.A little bit concerning given the decreases seen elsewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: Yet the manufacturers don't agree, as far as I know. Notice in the first para the use of the term "maximum interval". Now, if we haven't vaccinated everybody, by the end of March, capacity will be needed to deliver first and second doses. I don't like the assumption that protection "will wane in the medium term" too much either, especially paired with the "greater public health impact in the short term". This stinks to me of political expediency rather than "following the science". From the BMJ: "In a joint statement Pfizer and BioNTech said, “The safety and efficacy of the vaccine has not been evaluated on different dosing schedules as the majority of trial participants received the second dose within the window specified in the study design . . . There is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days.” So, nine weeks of decreasing protection before a second jag which may or may not do its job because, you know, these lads made and tested the vaccine and laid down the usage guidelines. The European Medicines Agency has said that the gap between the first and second doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine should not exceed 42 days. “Any change to this would require a variation to the marketing authorisation as well as more clinical data to support such a change, otherwise it would be considered as ‘off-label use,’” the agency said. So, half of what our brave British chaps reckon will be OK, then. Thank Boris we don't have to listen to that negative Euro-claptrap, eh? My bolding and italics - I'll take these voices over the propaganda machine that ensured William Shakespeare was at the top of the list for a jag, if you don't mind. There's a balance of risks going on with this. The risk of the protection waning from the first dose by pushing the booster out has been judged to be less than the protection given by giving the protection of the first dose to as many people as possible. Given that we know for certain the protection given by the first dose and that vaccine specialists have broad understandings of the mechanism of the booster dose then it seems like an understanable decision. The iniital results from Israel, who are using the Pfizer vaccine in their rollout, show solid levels of protection from the first jab. Obviously though this is rapidly evolving and dependant on further data. Also, I'm fairly certain that the JCVI didn't decide that the guy called William Shakespeare got one of the first doses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 It would seem the dutch don't like a curfew . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55796126 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, realmadrid said: It would seem the dutch don't like a curfew . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55796126 Matter of time til we see similar scenes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH75 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Steven W said: Matter of time til we see similar scenes People were saying that months ago. UK public are shitebags. When was the last time there was large scale public unrest in this country? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 55 minutes ago, Scosha said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55798793 Nicola Sturgeon better be personally booting pies up and down Holyrood to get those targets met. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Scosha said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55798793 10 months on from the first lockdown started and we’re being told that ways to speed up vaccination roll out are “being looked at”. What a riot. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) When did Hancock get out of isolation? Doesn’t seem like 10 days ago he had to isolate. ETA 6 days ago from what I can make out. Edited January 25, 2021 by Left Back 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, eez-eh said: 10 months on from the first lockdown started and we’re being told that ways to speed up vaccination roll out are “being looked at”. What a riot. I'm confused. Either the plan is in place or it isn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Jenny harries is a sleekit lying fucker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 10 months on from the first lockdown started and we’re being told that ways to speed up vaccination roll out are “being looked at”. What a riot.I'm not quite in the heads gone camp with regards to vaccine numbers yet but it does make you wonder what they've been doing for the past 10 months. It's not as if the vaccine came completely out of the blue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 So the UK gov covid briefing now a space for planted "better together" questions? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: Jenny harries is a sleekit lying fucker She's a c**t, I remember at the time she said we shouldn't close the borders she was a stooge then and still one now. It wasn't a public health choice but a government decision she was pushing. Why the f**k is he spouting better together nonsense? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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