Left Back Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 What time is the announcement today? Managed to miss yesterdays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, Left Back said: What time is the announcement today? Managed to miss yesterdays. After 2 in Holyrood. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Good thread from the director of the Clinical Operations Research Unit. I didn't realise how big the disparity between vaccine delivery for the richest and poorest was. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFCinthearea Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Clearly not, though, given schools are first in line, and the first test is vaccine numbers, and the second test is serious illness among those vaccinated. Anecdotally, any business sector i've seen commenting on it is frustrated at how drawn out they feel it is. Which doesn't fit with your argument. Much of it is to do with us being one of the unhealthiest nations on earth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Until they officially bin #ZeroCovid I don't see how they can do that. Be very interesting to hear what NS says today. England have come out and said "that's not happening" which is very much at odds to NS's desires until now. Has NS ever endorsed ZC, I can't recall her talking about ZC as a policy. She has talked of driving figures as low as possible, eradication even but never ZC which is a totally different thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 19 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Or there’s a simpler discussion to be had about government intervention into the level of risk we expose ourselves to every day. They can legislate on the safety of business for employees and customers clearly, but the only justification for legislating on social interactions in public are on the grounds of a collapsing healthcare system. Perhaps we've all just had enough of severe social isolation, of not being able to do very much. this whole economy vs lives is a load of shite. far too simplistic, lockdowns have serious adverse side affects on health and wellbeing, morale was at an all time low this month. there comes a point when you just have to get on with it. that doesn't make me a tory for saying that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Whatever happens today, it is imperative that the shagging ban is removed as soon as possible. It is unthinkable that a nation of top shaggers like the Scots are prevented from doing what we do best. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said: Has NS ever endorsed ZC, I can't recall her talking about ZC as a policy. She has talked of driving figures as low as possible, eradication even but never ZC which is a totally different thing. Elimination is the same as #ZeroCovid, we are often told. Because Zero doesn't actually mean zero... NS has never claimed eradication was possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: Has NS ever endorsed ZC, I can't recall her talking about ZC as a policy. She has talked of driving figures as low as possible, eradication even but never ZC which is a totally different thing. The problem with letting your advisors give 1000 interviews is that people are within their rights to take what's being said as government policy when the government doesn't say otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 If they use the perfectly valid excuses for a tiered system in Scotland, then they better well use it.Last time around they started with the pits of Lanarkshire in the same level as Edinburgh. Some non scientific bulllshit that Edinburgh might have too many people bevvying.Draw up a system with guidelines you follow it word for word.Stop fuckking us about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Jambomo said: Boris has created a rod for everyone’s back here. Certainly a lot of people on social media are taking these dates as ‘dates that things are going to happen’ and ignoring the ‘not before’ part. I don’t think it seems a bad timeline though, probably around what you’d expect given where the timetable of the vaccines will be if everything stays on track. It’s just a bit unfortunate he’s used set dates to do it because it isn’t giving him, or any of the devolved nations, space to allow for any issues arising, even in things such as vaccine supply. The phrase "no earlier than" gives him all the wriggle room he could ever wish for. If we actually take notice of the repeated use of this qualifier, yesterday's circus promised the square root of fúck all. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: Has NS ever endorsed ZC, I can't recall her talking about ZC as a policy. She has talked of driving figures as low as possible, eradication even but never ZC which is a totally different thing. Not sure. But Johnson yesterday said "There is therefore no credible route to a zero Covid Britain or indeed a zero Covid world. And we cannot persist indefinitely with restrictions that debilitate our economy, our physical and mental well-being, and the life chances of our children." I think it's important that we hear something similar from her today. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Billy Jean King said: 1 hour ago, Jambomo said: Boris has created a rod for everyone’s back here. Certainly a lot of people on social media are taking these dates as ‘dates that things are going to happen’ and ignoring the ‘not before’ part. I don’t think it seems a bad timeline though, probably around what you’d expect given where the timetable of the vaccines will be if everything stays on track. It’s just a bit unfortunate he’s used set dates to do it because it isn’t giving him, or any of the devolved nations, space to allow for any issues arising, even in things such as vaccine supply. They were interviewing a hair salon owner there saying just that. Deluged with folk wanting to book for 12 April and them then being furious when she advised them she wasn't taking bookings until dates were confirmed which will be min 7 days before. People unsurprisingly given the media coverage have seen the banner dates and taken them as gospel as opposed to what they basically are ie earliest indicative dates. As with the character assasination carried out on Jeremy Corbyn, the majority of people are content to let the BBC/Sun/Mail tell them what is being said or done, rather than take the trouble to watch what is actually said when Johnson or one of his minions speaks in the House, or even on tellybox. Apparently, doing your own thinking is far too much trouble these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, superbigal said: If they use the perfectly valid excuses for a tiered system in Scotland, then they better well use it. Last time around they started with the pits of Lanarkshire in the same level as Edinburgh. Some non scientific bulllshit that Edinburgh might have too many people bevvying. Draw up a system with guidelines you follow it word for word. Stop fuckking us about. Did anywhere in Scotland (or England) actually move down a Tier? I only remember restrictions tightening. They clearly don't work, which is probably why England have binned them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: The phrase "no earlier than" gives him all the wriggle room he could ever wish for. If we actually take notice of the repeated use of this qualifier, yesterday's circus promised the square root of fúck all. It did, however show that there is a desire to get to normal. Maybe not quite by June 21st, but the desire is there, and the plan is to use our tools, including vaccines, to get there. Elimination is not the strategy as it's futile and destructive. The trade off is that some people will get ill and die over subsequent winters, as they do from many other respiratory viruses. The explanation was frank. NS's "we need to get cases right down and keep them there" and "no foreign travel for some time to get a bit more domestic normality" is a very different message. Something has to give. Edited February 23, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, G51 said: Whatever happens today, it is imperative that the shagging ban is removed as soon as possible. It is unthinkable that a nation of top shaggers like the Scots are prevented from doing what we do best. I dont think banning marriage is on their legislative agenda tbf. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I'd be very suprised if NS is all doom and gloom in her announcement later. Shes probably saw how happy people have been with the outlines Boris has drawn up. I doubt she'd piss in folks cornflakes and allow BJ to get one over on her. I reckon it will roughly be the the same as the English plans but a week or so behind 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Big Fifer said: Not sure. But Johnson yesterday said "There is therefore no credible route to a zero Covid Britain or indeed a zero Covid world. And we cannot persist indefinitely with restrictions that debilitate our economy, our physical and mental well-being, and the life chances of our children." I think it's important that we hear something similar from her today. tbf there is a route to zero covid Britain. Close the borders etc, get everyone vaccinated and eventually we'll eradicate the virus. It will take months though and would require the borders to remain pretty much closed until we have a zero covid world (hence it isn't credible while we have a CTA with Ireland which allows free movement from the continent). A zero covid world would take a global concerted effort of years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: The vaccinations are being prioritised by age, which is the biggest factor in hospital admissions and deaths. I think if you start trying to tweak it to target narrow groups it will make it a lot more difficult to achieve a speedy rollout. also, there are loads of employee groups who could claim to be a case for priority vaccination. I think I’m right in saying you are or were a prison officer? I’d say that prison staff have a better case than teachers for priority - you can’t having distance jailing, prisons by their nature are unventilated and the job requires close contact with others. It’s hard but the best way to do it is go by a simple metric that’s easy to organise and has a proven link to impact from the virus. Oh, I've been banging the drum for HMPPS staff, don't you worry! Weirdly, the customers are at far more risk from staff than vice versa. If a prisoner tests positive - or even becomes symptomatic, they're immediately isolated. Those ensuite rooms are bloody handy if you want a bit of Wuhan-lite. Prison outbreaks, by the very nature of the locale, have been dealt with pretty well, the occasional outbreak among staff notwithstanding. There are, though, about twenty times as many teachers in the country, even before we get to dinner ladies, TAs, etc. With a fortnight's notice, it shouldn't be too hard to mount a concerted effort to ensure that the reopening of schools is as safe as possible. It's the first step of this recovery plan - surely we should be implementing any and all measures which might increase the prospect of success? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Did anywhere in Scotland (or England) actually move down a Tier? I only remember restrictions tightening. They clearly don't work, which is probably why England have binned them. I'm pretty sure D&G moved down a tier as Stranraer had fans back for one game 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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