Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[LongTimeLurker]

14 minutes ago, Rugster said:

Benefits of AZ outweigh risks says EMA. Blood clot is possible side effect. 

Wonder why it stopped being called the Oxford vaccine.

[Paco]

I'd guess nothing. The under 30s without health conditions were always prime candidates for Jannsen.

Telegraph reported over the weekend this may well have been the plan anyway, for a range of reasons - younger people are more likely to be vaccine hesitant/unable to get out of work to get a vaccine so a one-doser is more appealing, it prevents longer-term discrimination about being ‘fully’ vaccinated as it’d be well into October before second doses began, and it would allow health services to focus on boosters for oldies come autumn rather than second doses for the young. Of course that story may well have been planted there ahead of this announcement...

It isn’t great news regardless, and suspect it’ll be a big blow to under 40s especially taking the vaccine. The line needs drawn somewhere but if you’re 30 or 31 and on the fence anyway, being told if you were six months younger it’d be potentially unsafe isn’t going to help you decide to take it. Definitely a blow.

[Forest_Fifer]

Now on BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

[Michael W]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

There it is. 79 cases and 19 deaths in the UK. More than was originally publicised - fuel to the fire of anti-vaxxers, that. 

At least there's the J&J vaccine on the horizon. Saying that, I'm 31 - do I honestly believe the vaccine is fine for me, but would've been too risky if I were a couple of years younger? Absolutely not. 

This is going to prompt a wave of vaccine hesitancy, unfortunately. 

[ICTChris]

 

 

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

Surely some mistake? We were told the Oxford vaccine disrespect was all down an evil ploy by a bitter Merkel and Macron to get one over the plucky Brits.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

Seen an article before saying if was ditched for under 50s it would have a huge effect. Other than that I doubt its significant really. Just prioritise Pfizer/Moderna/J&J/Novavax for U30s. 

 

 

Thjat was my immediate thought. The ponly group to fall into the Venn overlap here will be uinder 30s in the CV groups, surely? And won't most of them have had both doses by now?

This seems to me to be a real scare-story, in all honesty. I take eight separate drugs a day to keep me functioning properly. Each an every one has a list of side effects which extend on occasion onto the other side of the leaflet. I honestly couldn't tell you how bad they could get, but I'll just check google for a couple of them..

 

• headaches or dizziness.
• nausea.
• diarrhoea or constipation.
• indigestion (dyspepsia)
• stomach ache or abdominal pain.
• nosebleeds.
• increased bleeding (your blood taking longer to clot – for example, when you cut yourself), or easy bruising.

Hmm.. that's not too bad. What about the wee green ones?

• Low blood pressure. This is more common when you’re starting the drug or increasing doses. Symptoms include:
  • dizziness
  • lightheadedness
• Allergic or hypersensitivity reaction (angioedema). Symptoms include:
  • swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat
  • trouble breathing
  • stomach pain with or without nausea and vomiting
• Liver problems (jaundice). Symptoms include:
  • yellowing of your skin or the whites of your eyes
  • stomach pain
  • fatigue
• Swelling (edema). Symptoms include:
  • swelling of your feet, legs, or hands
• Low white blood cell count. Symptoms include:
  • sore throat
  • fever
• Purple spot on your skin caused by internal bleeding (purpura)
• Fast or abnormal heart rate or palpitations. Symptoms include:
  • feeling like your heart is fluttering
• High potassium levels. Symptoms include:
  • weakness
  • arrhythmia (irregular heart rate)
• Worse kidney function. Symptoms include:
  • nausea and vomiting
  • decreased urine output when urinating
  • fatigue
  • loss of appetite

Fúck me, I reckon I'll stop there. Still taking the drugs, mind.

[MP_MFC]

The EU have further fucked it then. Basically the MHRA is saying no under 30s out of caution but it won't really impact us due to how good the rollout has been with it so far.

The EMA won't specifically ban it because they know they need it to catch up but they've absolutely humped it with the EU public from day one.

[MP_MFC]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517
There it is. 79 cases and 19 deaths in the UK. More than was originally publicised - fuel to the fire of anti-vaxxers, that. 

This is going to prompt a wave of vaccine hesitancy, unfortunately. 

Antivax people would use whatever way they found it today to fuel their fire.

The Majority of sane people would, I assume, take comfort in them looking further into all the data and acting extremely cautiously, considering how insanely small this risk is.

[Glen Sannox]

3 minutes ago, Pato said:

Mind when all the blue ticks were taking the piss out of those continentals for not giving the AZ jab to young folk, some laugh eh

They were using concerns to mask the absolute pig’s ear that they had made of procurement.

[Mark Connolly]

That odd noise is the temporary combined sound of AZ's stock price dropping and thousands of cigars being put out

[Michael W]

4 minutes ago, MP_MFC said:

The EU have further fucked it then. Basically the MHRA is saying no under 30s out of caution but it won't really impact us due to how good the rollout has been with it so far.

The EMA won't specifically ban it because they know they need it to catch up but they've absolutely humped it with the EU public from day one.

They've asked that blood clots be added to the list of possible side effects with a 0.0006% occurrence. 

I don't know about anyone else, but I like those odds and am comfortable with them. 

[Billy Jean King]

So "serious harm" in u30s outweighs chance of admission to ICU according to V Tams slide at low prevelance. Not sure that's helpful !

[Honest_Man#1]

Just now, Billy Jean King said:

So "serious harm" in u30s outweighs chance of admission to ICU according to V Tams slide at low prevelance. Not sure that's helpful !

If that’s correct, that u30s are genuinely at more risk from the vaccine giving them a life threatening blood clot (0.00000039% based on the figures given) than from being admitted to ICU through Covid, then you’re essentially admitting that Covid is less of a percentage risk to u30s than 0.00000039%. 

I don’t believe that’s true, but if it is true, it’s essentially saying Covid is finished and u30s should be living life entirely as normal from tomorrow.

[Ron Aldo]

While this is a bit of a bugger I can't see it being too much of an issue. The under 30s aren't going to be the ones taking up hospital beds.

As a healthy 29 year old I'd be happy to take the AZ vaccine but if that's no longer an option then so be it. With Moderna on the way this hopefully shouldn't slow things too much.

[Michael W]

3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

So "serious harm" in u30s outweighs chance of admission to ICU according to V Tams slide at low prevelance. Not sure that's helpful !

It's also simultaneously highlighting that covid is not a danger to under 30s. 

That should get the pearl clutches going what they do best when that message sinks and the restrictions are totally ignored. 

[Have some faith in Magic]

2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

So "serious harm" in u30s outweighs chance of admission to ICU according to V Tams slide at low prevelance. Not sure that's helpful !

Good to see a proper analysis of the relative risk. 

Shows how unlikely a healthy 30 year old is to get seriously ill with this virus. 

[Rugster]

I’ve already had my first dose and unfortunately I’m not under 30 but if I was I would still take it if offered. 4 in a million chance of this side effect. Higher side effect risks in some over the counter medicines. 

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34 minutes ago, Rugster said:

By the way how often are the uk government late for their own briefings!?

It's classic trump tactics and a big show of power. 

[Have some faith in Magic]

3 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

If that’s correct, that u30s are genuinely at more risk from the vaccine giving them a life threatening blood clot (0.00000039% based on the figures given) than from being admitted to ICU through Covid, then you’re essentially admitting that Covid is less of a percentage risk to u30s than 0.00000039%. 

I don’t believe that’s true, but if it is true, it’s essentially saying Covid is finished and u30s should be living life entirely as normal from tomorrow.

Unless they are really fat