Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Michael W]

7 minutes ago, madwullie said:

Given many of the far Eastern countries responded promptly at the start of this and mostly kept their infection / death rates relatively low as a result, you would hope that we would learn similar lessons that they've learned before and our reaction to a future potential pandemic would be swift and competent. Almost feel like sticking a lol at the end of that sentence though. 

Said countries have however fucked it in the winter 2020/21 wave. 

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, Michael W said:

Said countries have however fucked it in the winter 2020/21 wave. 

If by "fucked it" you mean "delayed the inevitable" then I agree.

[Aladdin]

11 minutes ago, madwullie said:

Given many of the far Eastern countries responded promptly at the start of this and mostly kept their infection / death rates relatively low as a result, you would hope that we would learn similar lessons that they've learned before and our reaction to a future potential pandemic would be swift and competent. Almost feel like sticking a lol at the end of that sentence though. 

TOne of the main lessons we need to learn is that you cant keep under funding the NHS whilst having no spare capacity.

Whilst there is a small group of people that Covid could kill, irrespective of medical intervention, there is a far larger number that could make a full recovery with the appropriate treatment.  That would presumably be true for any future pandemic of a respiratory disease, be it flu or coronavirus.

There needs to be a hard conversation about taxes and public spending.  More money needs to be raised to build extra capacity into the NHS and that inevitably means people paying more.  Having to shut down your entire economy when something like this comes along again isn't a viable solution.

Of course, nothing will happen and the NHS will continue to be on the brink every winter with high levels of burnout in the staff who don't disappear off to Australia and the Middle East for better pay.

Edited April 22, 2021 by Aladdin

[superbigal]

On 21/04/2021 at 14:32, superbigal said:

 

Daily Cases Update:  A real mixed bag today as we have a very small increase in overall numbers but some more interesting council shifts.

North Lanarkshire appears to be doing it's best to stay in level 4 !  Ayrshire in general (albeit from low numbers) is very much on the increase again. Same applies to East Dunbartonshire.  By contrast Renfrewshire is plummeting down the charts.  West Lothian, Dundee & Fife are the days highlights.

Scotland peaked at 301.9 for figures 29th Dec to 4th Jan, (UK was 642.1)    Cases that day were 16,496 and test positivity rate was 11.9%  

Total Cases 7 days from 13th April to 19th April  were 1517 now 1525 up 0.3%. Positivity was 1.4% now 1.4%.   Cases per 100k were 27.8 now 27.9

Home Nations Daily update:  UK Average  26.1 to 25.2 down 3.45%, England 25.8 to 24.8 down 3.88%,  Wales  15.8 to 15.4 down 2.53%, Northern Ireland 43.7 to 42.1 down 3.66% 

European (Above 2 Million Population) : Sweden 415 to 413, Croatia 372 to 373, France 371 to 341, Netherlands 307, Hungary 394 to 286, Serbia 314 to 284, Poland 372 to 283  all destinations over 250 cases per 100K

Special mention for Turkey as a popular destination at 505, Cyprus even worse at 543 !!

Council progress in last 24 Hours as follows.

Click cases by neighbourhood to see the spread on the geographical map. 
https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

Under 75 could do better club

Clackmannanshire 62.1 to 69.8  Back on the rise again up 12.4%. Glenochil again !!

North Lanarkshire  50.4 to 58.3  Up over 15% wtf ?

Glasgow City 50.9 to 48.6  Again decent  drop of 4.52%,  however Yoker North now Scotland's number 1 no go area.

South Lanarkshire 46.8 to 44.3

East Ayrshire   30.3 to 41.0  Up 60% in 2 days !!  

East Renfrewshire  39.8 to 33.5  Brilliant down over 15%

Moray  33.4 to 33.4   

Perth & Kinross   28.3 to 31.6

East Dunbartonshire  24.9 to 30.4  Poor near 60% increase in 2 days.  

Under Scottish Average club 27.9

West Lothian   30.0 to 27.3 Brilliant also joining the under average club. Who would have though it.

Renfrewshire  32.9 to 26.8 Outstanding another 18.54% drop and into under average territory.

Falkirk  26.7 to 26.7

North Ayrshire   24.5 to 26.7

Aberdeen City  24.5 to 25.8 

Dundee City   27.5 to 23.4  Brilliant another near 15% drop

Fife   27.0 to 23.0  Magnificent another near 15% drop

City Of Edinburgh   21.1 to 22.3      

The   Club Sub 20.0

South Ayrshire 11.5 to 18.6    Mmmm doubled in 48 hours but still low numbers for now

Aberdeenshire 16.1 to 17.2

Inverclyde  15.4 to 16.7

West Dunbartonshire  13.5 to 15.7 

Highlands  15.3 to 14.0

Stirling   12.7 to 10.6  Astonishing progress from top spot to down here

Angus 11.2 to 10.3

Argyll & Bute  3.5 to 4.7 

Midlothian   4.3 to 4.3 

East Lothian   3.5 to 2.8  

Dumfries & Galloway  2.0 to 2.0 

Scottish  Borders  2.6 to  1.7

Shetland Islands  0.0 to 0.0  

Western Isles   0.0 to 0.0

Orkney Island  0.0 to 0.0  

Edited April 22, 2021 by superbigal

[Melanius Mullarkey]

[dirty dingus]

1 hour ago, Scary Bear said:

This thread still only has half the amount of pages that the dead Rangers thread has.

Aye but the deaths rate from that was 100% Covid is only 2%

[Benjamin_Nevis]

51 minutes ago, Distant Doonhamer said:

Hospital numbers 93 (107 yesterday).

ICU numbers  12 (14 yesterday).

231 new cases of COVID-19 reported

23,302 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results

1.1% of these were positive

3 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive

2,755,175 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 898,231 have received their second dose

Get the fucking cigars oot. Sensational stuff. 

I can't wait to be able to mix indoors in about a fucking month's time 

[davidkennedyshand]

Daily Cases Update:  A real mixed bag today as we have a very small increase in overall numbers but some more interesting council shifts.

North Lanarkshire appears to be doing it's best to stay in level 4 !  Ayrshire in general (albeit from low numbers) is very much on the increase again. Same applies to East Dunbartonshire.  By contrast Renfrewshire is plummeting down the charts.  West Lothian, Dundee & Fife are the days highlights.

Scotland peaked at 301.9 for figures 29th Dec to 4th Jan, (UK was 642.1)    Cases that day were 16,496 and test positivity rate was 11.9%  

Total Cases 7 days from 13th April to 19th April  were 1517 now 1525 up 0.3%. Positivity was 1.4% now 1.4%.   Cases per 100k were 27.8 now 27.9

Home Nations Daily update:  UK Average  26.1 to 25.2 down 3.45%, England 25.8 to 24.8 down 3.88%,  Wales  15.8 to 15.4 down 2.53%, Northern Ireland 43.7 to 42.1 down 3.66% 

European (Above 2 Million Population) : Sweden 415 to 413, Croatia 372 to 373, France 371 to 341, Netherlands 307, Hungary 394 to 286, Serbia 314 to 284, Poland 372 to 283  all destinations over 250 cases per 100K

Special mention for Turkey as a popular destination at 505, Cyprus even worse at 543 !!

Council progress in last 24 Hours as follows.

Click cases by neighbourhood to see the spread on the geographical map. 
https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview
Under 75 could do better club
Clackmannanshire 62.1 to 69.8  Back on the rise again up 12.4%. Glenochil again !!
North Lanarkshire  50.4 to 58.3  Up over 15% wtf ?
Glasgow City 50.9 to 48.6  Again decent  drop of 4.52%,  however Yoker North now Scotland's number 1 no go area.
South Lanarkshire 46.8 to 44.3
East Ayrshire   30.3 to 41.0  Up 60% in 2 days !!  
East Renfrewshire  39.8 to 33.5  Brilliant down over 15%
Moray  33.4 to 33.4   
Perth & Kinross   28.3 to 31.6
East Dunbartonshire  24.9 to 30.4  Poor near 60% increase in 2 days.  
Under Scottish Average club 27.9
West Lothian   30.0 to 27.3 Brilliant also joining the under average club. Who would have though it.
Renfrewshire  32.9 to 26.8 Outstanding another 18.54% drop and into under average territory.
Falkirk  26.7 to 26.7
North Ayrshire   24.5 to 26.7
Aberdeen City  24.5 to 25.8 
Dundee City   27.5 to 23.4  Brilliant another near 15% drop
Fife   27.0 to 23.0  Magnificent another near 15% drop
City Of Edinburgh   21.1 to 22.3      
The  [emoji377] Club Sub 20.0
South Ayrshire 11.5 to 18.6    Mmmm doubled in 48 hours but still low numbers for now
Aberdeenshire 16.1 to 17.2
Inverclyde  15.4 to 16.7
West Dunbartonshire  13.5 to 15.7 
Highlands  15.3 to 14.0
Stirling   12.7 to 10.6  Astonishing progress from top spot to down here
Angus 11.2 to 10.3
Argyll & Bute  3.5 to 4.7 
Midlothian   4.3 to 4.3 
East Lothian   3.5 to 2.8  
Dumfries & Galloway  2.0 to 2.0 
Scottish  Borders  2.6 to  1.7
Shetland Islands  0.0 to 0.0  
Western Isles   0.0 to 0.0
Orkney Island  0.0 to 0.0  

Outbreak of 6 casesand 60 odd isolating at Belmont Academy. Talk of the school having to close .

[coprolite]

23 minutes ago, Aladdin said:

TOne of the main lessons we need to learn is that you cant keep under funding the NHS whilst having no spare capacity.

Whilst there is a small group of people that Covid could kill, irrespective of medical intervention, there is a far larger number that could make a full recovery with the appropriate treatment.  That would presumably be true for any future pandemic of a respiratory disease, be it flu or coronavirus.

There needs to be a hard conversation about taxes and public spending.  More money needs to be raised to build extra capacity into the NHS and that inevitably means people paying more.  Having to shut down your entire economy when something like this comes along again isn't a viable solution.

Of course, nothing will happen and the NHS will continue to be on the brink every winter with high levels of burnout in the staff who don't disappear off to Australia and the Middle East for better pay.

Completely agree that increasing health and care services capacity and capability (including residential homes) should be the number one lesson and priority. 

It's ridiculously optimistic to think that that will be an honest conversation about public spending though. If anything it will be used as cover for more privatisation and profit motive being introduced with as little scrutiny as they can get away with. 

[101]

56 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Im sure Gove is enjoying his Israel trip. A seperate toilet for non vaccinated people. Holy fck and simps wouldn’t mind this segregation shit coming to the UK. This long ceased to be about keeping people “safe” 

Do Israel have previous for separating people out of society? 

[101]

Last night was the first time I have got in at 2 for about 18 months and can confirm lockdown has badly effected the hangovers.

[Distant Doonhamer]

3 months to the day since hospital numbers peaked at 2053 on 22nd January. That’s a 95% reduction in a 3 month period. Mon the vaccines!!

[WhiteRoseKillie]

2 hours ago, Billy Jean King said:

Its anything up to 35% in Social Care in England. No idea why that particular occupation should be an outlier. Hardly a handful and there is no way that level is down to medical reasons. It seems pretty rife in certain sectors of society even in the UK.


ETA just checked BMA said overall English uptake in Social Care employment is still just 77%. In some areas it's nearer 50% (Lambeth was quoted)

Combination of that sector plus high numbers of people from the community formerly known as BAME, where resistance is based on tales of colonial powers testing drugs and medicines on indigenous populations. 

[G51]

16 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Good luck with that theory bud.

I mean, this isn't even a particularly radical thought process anymore.

The BoE has been printing money like crazy since 2008, in an attempt to create inflation and force the rich to stop hoarding cash and start buying assets. The highest it's hit is something like 3.5%. It's currently at something like 0.7%. The BoE's base rate has risen to 0.7% and is now 0.1%.

Austerity is dead, long live helicopter money.

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by G51

[Jamie_B]

Hoping first dose vaccinations will ramp up again next week. We’re ten weeks on now from that week in February where they were firing out 50-60k a day which is presumably why we’re doing almost exclusively second doses just now. If I remember rightly that fell off to about 20-30k about a week or so later. Assume the pattern will follow?

[EdinburghPar1975]

29 minutes ago, Jamie_Beatson said:

Hoping first dose vaccinations will ramp up again next week. We’re ten weeks on now from that week in February where they were firing out 50-60k a day which is presumably why we’re doing almost exclusively second doses just now. If I remember rightly that fell off to about 20-30k about a week or so later. Assume the pattern will follow?

i'd certainly hope so. The more first doses that they can get out as soon as possible the better. I wonder if its coincidence that the lockdown lifting is very slow given they must have known that first dose vaccine supply would be scarce (due to 2nd doses being due).

Hopefully it'll ramp up again but as a good chuck of our supply comes from India it looks like they need it far more than we do right now...

[realmadrid]

37 minutes ago, Jamie_Beatson said:

Hoping first dose vaccinations will ramp up again next week. We’re ten weeks on now from that week in February where they were firing out 50-60k a day which is presumably why we’re doing almost exclusively second doses just now. If I remember rightly that fell off to about 20-30k about a week or so later. Assume the pattern will follow?

Has it been steady since then?

Im at the top end of the 40-49 group and hope to be get the first one at some point next month supply permitting.

[Todd_is_God]

10 minutes ago, EdinburghPar1975 said:

i'd certainly hope so. The more first doses that they can get out as soon as possible the better. I wonder if its coincidence that the lockdown lifting is very slow given they must have known that first dose vaccine supply would be scarce (due to 2nd doses being due).

Hopefully it'll ramp up again but as a good chuck of our supply comes from India it looks like they need it far more than we do right now...

I'm not sure that this will have anything like the impact on hospitalisations that vaccinating the old, CEV & CV groups has so far tbh.

Going to be a fair bit of thumb twiddling going on whilst the SG continue to be wary about cases.

Vaccinating the old, those with underlying health conditions, and the young 'healthy' fatties is where the impact will be made, and we've already done the first two.

Edited April 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[EdinburghPar1975]

5 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I'm not sure that this will have anything like the impact on hospitalisations that vaccinating the old, CEV & CV groups has so far tbh.

Going to be a fair bit of thumb twiddling going on whilst the SG continue to be wary about cases.

Vaccinating the old, those with underlying health conditions, and the young 'healthy' fatties is where the impact will be made, and we've already done the first two.

Completely agree. I'd expect there would be minimal impact to hospital and ICU numbers given who is outstanding but even a 'decent' rise in positive cases could impact things like schools and workplaces from being re-opened as we'd like (in terms of regional/ workplace clusters) but i'd be amazed if it made the lifting of restrictions even slower....

 

[Todd_is_God]

3 minutes ago, EdinburghPar1975 said:

Completely agree. I'd expect there would be minimal impact to hospital and ICU numbers given who is outstanding but even a 'decent' rise in positive cases could impact things like schools and workplaces from being re-opened as we'd like (in terms of regional/ workplace clusters) but i'd be amazed if it made the lifting of restrictions even slower....

It's frustrating to see the continued denial of two key things tbh.

Firstly, that young people, without underlying health conditions, who are not fatties are extremely unlikely to get seriously ill.

And secondly, that the vaccines appear to work excellently, meaning that by vaccinating old people, people with underlying health conditions, and fatties, will reduce the severity of disease (and subsequent pressure on the health system) to near zero.

Acknowledging that would result in the rapid restoration of normal life in the near future, and dissolve any conceivable need for routine testing / vaccine passports.

I cannot fathom why this is never addressed in either parliament or by the media, and do not accept "we just don't know" or "just in case" as a valid reason for the level of restriction and change to normal (especially domestic) life beyond the summer that is currently on the table.