craigkillie Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 8 hours ago, SoapMactavish said: Just a point of order here, the whole ‘are they in hospital with Covid or just an incidental finding’ patter is doing my nut in. Similar to the whole ‘did they die with Covid or of Covid’ argument, which is also a load of shite. See also ‘bUt tHeY gOt HiT bY a CaR’ type things. Similar to the following point, People testing positive from Covid who go on to die are amost certainly dead directly as a result of it, or it is a significant contributing factor in their death. i.e. someone who has Covid dies of Bacteria Pneumonia, which they got as a result of ventilation required to support their breathing will still technically be classed as a Covid death due to Covid being a significant factor. The Virus itself isn’t what actually kills people most of the time, its the ARDS, the blood clots on the lungs, ruptured lungs etc that do them in. the vast majority of people in hospital (>95%) who have a positive PCR test are symptomatic to some degree with Covid, be that mildly sick or on things like breathing support. /medicine I would guess that you have much more medical knowledge than I do, but from a statistical point of view it is surely the case that as the risk of people dying from covid decreases (as a result of vaccination and improved treatment), the proportion of people who have covid but die from other causes increases? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_rover Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 I would guess that you have much more medical knowledge than I do, but from a statistical point of view it is surely the case that as the risk of people dying from covid decreases (as a result of vaccination and improved treatment), the proportion of people who have covid but die from other causes increases?The ONS weekly stats for 2021 for England and Wales has the difference between any deaths with a mention of Covid on the death certificate and those where it is listed as an underlying cause.In January and February, 85-90% of each week included Covid as an underlying cause, May and June has dropped to 70-80%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 One of the guys that harassed Whitty has been charged. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57695301 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 3 hours ago, superbigal said: The main problem now appears to be the high chances of us double vaxxed getting caught up in track and trace. As case numbers surge they have to put something into place soon to stop this charade of so many potentially healthy people being locked up for 10 days at a time. It needs binned, or at least allow you to just take a LFT, maybe every 2nd day, and continue as normal. I'd just delete the track and trace app if you've still got it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: I'd just delete the track and trace app if you've still got it. Due to staying in a flat i removed the app months ago. Its still possible to be told to isolate without the app if someone passes on your details. After the Croatia game i returned to Perth and went to a house where 3 others had been watching the match, one of the group then tested positive on Thursday and passed on everyone's details (he told us he was going to do that). To my surprise we were all asked to take a full test rather then to isolate which is a better solution. Its certainly made me think about going in a group to someones house for a few weeks while this wave passes as i'm more bothered about having to isolate than getting covid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Just now, Marshmallo said: will be interesting to see how and when the downward part of the wave appears without additional NPI as were used in waves 1 & 2 , not lovejoying or calling for them, just curious to compare how different or similar they will be as we haven't yet had the chance to find out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted July 2, 2021 Author Share Posted July 2, 2021 I've seen a suggestion that around 1-2% of cases now result in hospitalisation rather than 10% pre-vaccines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted July 2, 2021 Author Share Posted July 2, 2021 One of the guys who filmed themselves manhandling Chris Whitty has been charged with common assault. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: will be interesting to see how and when the downward part of the wave appears without additional NPI as were used in waves 1 & 2 , not lovejoying or calling for them, just curious to compare how different or similar they will be as we haven't yet had the chance to find out Exponential growth can only last so long within a constrained space, so it's bound to level off soon enough when it runs out of people to infect. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: Basically, there’s a variant that’s more transmissible and has more opportunities to transmit compared to the previous waves (hospitality staying open etc.), but is being absolutely smashed by the vaccines. Pleasing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 30 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: My fucking word. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 That’s a decent drop in new infections isn’t it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) NS saying that vaccines are reducing percentage of cases requiring hospitalisation from 13% in January to 3% at the start of last month. Emphasising that vaccinations are doing their job - significant change in rhetoric from a couple of months ago. Perhaps I'm being optimistic, but I find it reassuring that she is focussing on vaccinations rather than restrictions. Edited July 2, 2021 by super_carson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 That's 50% of the population finally double dosed as of yesterday. I thought we were beyond that but clearly we weren't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 minute ago, super_carson said: NS saying that vaccines are reducing percentage of cases requiring hospitalisation from 13% in January to 3% at the start of last month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, super_carson said: NS saying that vaccines are reducing percentage of cases requiring hospitalisation from 13% in January to 3% at the start of last month. Emphasising that vaccinations are doing their job. WEE NICOLA READS P&B AND SMOKES CIGARS !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 minute ago, TheScarf said: I've missed Denzel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Master Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) I guess it’s sort of encouraging that Jason Leitch doesn’t really seem that bothered by the Dundee case numbers. Edited July 2, 2021 by The Master 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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