Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[gav-ffc]

1 hour ago, mizfit said:

IMO we should be able to bet on kids sports days and get the economy going.

what a melt.

[The Master]

2 hours ago, welshbairn said:

I just went oh naw, not Mark Steel surely? Wrong Mark..

I had the exact same reaction  

[Elixir]

1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said:

That'sthe point that may well drive any future decisions. 

I hope there won't be any future restrictions, but I suspect it's not as black and white as you make out. The government has an established history of U-turns, and the fact is that the mood in country actually supports some kind of lockdown being in place. 

Everything is still in the balance, as far I can see. 

Not any more it isn't.

 

44 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

If it works, brilliant, and if it doesn't I won't blame them for giving it a go, basically I agree with the strategy. But the rest of the world including the WHO are saying it's dangerous for a reason, if you let transmission go rampant, even with the vulnerable protected, the more chance the virus has to mutate into something deadlier and vaccine resistant, and that's not something that would only affect the UK. Wuhan 2.0. Nothing is risk free. All the signs are that it's working though, so fingers crossed.

This is as equally likely a scenario as an entirely new virus emerging which sparks an entirely new pandemic. Not something we obsess daily life over. Bin.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

3 hours ago, ICTChris said:

From the anti vaccine rally in London today, this thread is pretty eye opening. It’s made for that meme where you list increasing mad things alongside photos of Vince McMahon.
 

Kate Shemirani. Wid.

[welshbairn]

8 minutes ago, Elixir said:

This is as equally likely a scenario as an entirely new virus emerging which sparks an entirely new pandemic. Not something we obsess daily life over. Bin.

Not really, this one is already global and finding humans tasty. I hope we're gradually killing it off by leaving it nowhere to go, but it's a hope, not a certainty.

Edited July 24, 2021 by welshbairn

[Melanius Mullarkey]

Just now, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Kate Shemirani. Wid.

I reckons she’s a safer bet than Red32s bird tbh.

[Thereisalight..]

39 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:

Why should they give the oxygen of publicity to these fucking nutjobs? 

Yes there would have been nut jobs there, but also "normal" people who are afraid of what this world is becoming. Nobody should shrug their shoulders and agree to domestic vaccine passports, nobody should agree with coercion.  I'm sure plenty of people there were pro vaccine but anti vaccine passports, as we all should be 

Edited July 24, 2021 by Thereisalight..

[pandarilla]

This is as equally likely a scenario as an entirely new virus emerging which sparks an entirely new pandemic. Not something we obsess daily life over. Bin.

It's not even close to being as equally likely.

[Left Back]

48 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

It's a fact that a huge number of cases are occuring amongst unvaccinated children in schools and colleges. Once these schools go back in, I'll guarantee that case numbers will rise. 

More cases amongst schoolchildren = more parents isolating together with the fact that these cases are reported daily in  news outlets, adding to the perception that this is a disease that is rife amingst the general population = a belief amongst many that continued restrictions are necessary. 

I don't see why that is so hard to grasp. 

 

Schools are safe so we’ve been told.   No infections there.  Good job you know more than the “experts” that reckoned case rates would be rising exponentially by now and you can guarantee it.

How long have you been working with independent SAGE?

Case numbers are falling.  Vaccination numbers are going up.  Stop shitting your pants and take an objective look at what’s actually happening.

[Left Back]

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

 

If it works, brilliant, and if it doesn't I won't blame them for giving it a go, basically I agree with the strategy. But the rest of the world including the WHO are saying it's dangerous for a reason, if you let transmission go rampant, even with the vulnerable protected, the more chance the virus has to mutate into something deadlier and vaccine resistant, and that's not something that would only affect the UK. Wuhan 2.0. Nothing is risk free. All the signs are that it's working though, so fingers crossed.

So we all sit at home for the rest of our lives just in case?

Give your head a wobble pal.

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, Left Back said:

So we all sit at home for the rest of our lives just in case?

Give your head a wobble pal.

Read what I said.

"If it works, brilliant, and if it doesn't I won't blame them for giving it a go, basically I agree with the strategy."

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Are you claiming that people in supermarkets in Dundee aren’t wearing masks?

They aren't

[GordonS]

1 hour ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Yes there would have been nut jobs there, but also "normal" people who are afraid of what this world is becoming. Nobody should shrug their shoulders and agree to domestic vaccine passports, nobody should agree with coercion.  I'm sure plenty of people there were pro vaccine but anti vaccine passports, as we all should be 

Oh FFS.

I know this is the Thread of the Damned, but out in the real world most people don't want to have to choose between staying home or mixing with those who are much more likely to be infectious with Covid. We want to go to football games and restaurants and cinemas and pubs, and it's the unvaccinated that are now the number one reason why we can't.

If you don't want to get the vaccine, fine, don't get the vaccine. But in a society there are responsibilities as well as rights. You can drive your car at any speed you like - but not on a public road. You can fire your rifle or shotgun or big bow and arrow - in places that have been made safe for that purpose. You have the right to walk across open land - but not close to houses or across crops. Your rights are limited when they adversely affect other people's rights - especially their right to safety.

Why does your right to go to the library while very possibly infected with a virulent and endemic disease that could cause me a serious illness more important that my right to not be in harm's way when I go to the library?

So don't get the vaccine, or get the vaccine and don't get the passport. That's your right. But don't whine when it means you're barred from places you want to go, to protect public health. And don't give us the utter crap that it's some big scary authoritarian badness. Talk like that is an absolute insult to everyone who's had to live under real oppression. It's pathetic.

[GordonS]

52 minutes ago, Left Back said:

So we all sit at home for the rest of our lives just in case?

Give your head a wobble pal.

What way did you vote in the poll about whether you think you're smarter than average on this board?

I'm asking because there's no conceivable way your words are a rational response to the post you quoted. He could not have been clearer. What exactly do you think he said?

[RH33]

2 hours ago, super_carson said:

I think I said this before  but the kids I teach all  said they much preferred sports day this year without parents being there.  Probably goes to show that a lot of the complaining about events like nursery graduations, sports day, primary school leavers proms etc. comes from parents who want to plaster it all over the social media for likes and comments.  

Young folk will have been disproportionately shafted long term by all of this, but we don’t discuss that anywhere near as much as you seem to hear complaints about parents being banned from school events.  

My son's school did a festival theme instead of a stupid over the top prom. Was basically a DJ, ice cream van and lunch as they mingled.in playground on last day. Some daft games like limbo. Was a nice way end primary school.

 

[Thereisalight..]

56 minutes ago, GordonS said:

Oh FFS.

I know this is the Thread of the Damned, but out in the real world most people don't want to have to choose between staying home or mixing with those who are much more likely to be infectious with Covid. We want to go to football games and restaurants and cinemas and pubs, and it's the unvaccinated that are now the number one reason why we can't.

If you don't want to get the vaccine, fine, don't get the vaccine. But in a society there are responsibilities as well as rights. You can drive your car at any speed you like - but not on a public road. You can fire your rifle or shotgun or big bow and arrow - in places that have been made safe for that purpose. You have the right to walk across open land - but not close to houses or across crops. Your rights are limited when they adversely affect other people's rights - especially their right to safety.

Why does your right to go to the library while very possibly infected with a virulent and endemic disease that could cause me a serious illness more important that my right to not be in harm's way when I go to the library?

So don't get the vaccine, or get the vaccine and don't get the passport. That's your right. But don't whine when it means you're barred from places you want to go, to protect public health. And don't give us the utter crap that it's some big scary authoritarian badness. Talk like that is an absolute insult to everyone who's had to live under real oppression. It's pathetic.

Why did nobody care before about going these places where they could pick up a bad dose of the flu? Folk can dress it up anyway they like but authoritarian measures for something where the average age of death is 79+ is wild. 

[GordonS]

35 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Why did nobody care before about going these places where they could pick up a bad dose of the flu? Folk can dress it up anyway they like but authoritarian measures for something where the average age of death is 79+ is wild. 

This post only further affirms what I thought. Three preposterous, irrational assertions in less than 2 lines.

[Guest TheJTS98]

7 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

I think it's impossible to say what the overall mood in the country is tbh. What is reported in various polls is not reflected in what you see in pictures and videos of football stadia / racecourses / London during the Euros etc.

Taking the result of a YouGov poll of around 1,000 people as reflective of the mood is no better than taking this thread as being reflective of the mood. Both are effectively  echo chambers filled with user lists at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Turn off the furlough tap, flood the media with images of gigs / people enjoying their lives again etc and see the overall mood then.

This is the problem with this thread.

The poling is completely clear that the six or seven lads on this thread are completely out of step with public opinion. Yet they still keep giving it the 'The public will never take this'. They will, actually. They tell us that.

I believe that you're sincere. And that's the problem. You think pictures you see on Facebook (a Facebook feed no doubt which is an echo chamber of the views you have) are actually more reflective of the mood of the nation than polling done by professionals.

You simply won't be convinced.

'I know the evidence says this, but I think that.'

Edited July 25, 2021 by TheJTS98

[Guest TheJTS98]

1 hour ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Why did nobody care before about going these places where they could pick up a bad dose of the flu? Folk can dress it up anyway they like but authoritarian measures for something where the average age of death is 79+ is wild. 

If you're 18 months into this, and still comparing covid to the flu, then you need to have a word with yourself.

[Guest TheJTS98]

3 hours ago, Left Back said:

Schools are safe so we’ve been told.   No infections there.  Good job you know more than the “experts” that reckoned case rates would be rising exponentially by now and you can guarantee it.

How long have you been working with independent SAGE?

Case numbers are falling.  Vaccination numbers are going up.  Stop shitting your pants and take an objective look at what’s actually happening.

It's less than a week since restrictions were lifted. It's a misunderstanding on your part to suggest anyone said case rates would be exponential within a week. That's not how this virus works and we've known that for over a year.