Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Michael W]

41 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Again, absolutely fascinating how people seem to cling to this idea that masks keep people safe despite the lack of evidence outside of strict controlled lab experiments showing any real benefit at all.

They are more in favour of retaining masks than limiting numbers of people meeting together maskless indoors.

There's no logical consistency there at all.

That is genuinely fascinating and shows that very large swathes of the general public cannot be trusted to think through anything at all.

It's the juxtaposition between this and lived experience that gets me. I don't want to go all "polls are fake and trying to influence people" like the political headcases on Twitter but it just doesn't match lived experience. It just doesn't reflect what I can see with my own eyes. 

I'd differentiate this from political polls as well as you can clearly see if someone is wearing a mask or not. People don't walk around with "Labour" or "Tory" on their person so we can back up the political polls. 

And if we genuinely do have people out there who want masks back in shops, because they feel they reduce the spread and protect people, you can only sigh and ask why they're not wearing one now then. It makes no sense. 

Things like nightclubs I can understand even if I don't agree with it. They will cause superspreader events and that's just a fact we will have to live with. Given the target demographic of nightclubs we can also be sure that the majority of the population won't visit them. Again, people don't walk around with 'close nightclubs' embossed on their t-shirts. But you can understand why the numbers show what they do. 

[The Moonster]

9 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed out that door. I wasn’t deliberately being a dick, it was a genuine mistake ffs

Deliberately ignorant of the rules it seems to me. It's fine if that's how you want to operate but it's beyond tiring reading your constant "she shouted at me" updates. 

[superbigal]

1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Just received for myself and wife mask exemption certificates.

Whoever put me on to this, many thanks.

You should stick them across your mouth so people know you have them.

#toptipsoftheday

[Lyle Lanley]

Just now, superbigal said:

You should stick them across your mouth so people know you have them.

#toptipsoftheday

Or having to wear them like a massive green badge. 

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, Michael W said:

It's the juxtaposition between this and lived experience that gets me. I don't want to go all "polls are fake and trying to influence people" like the political headcases on Twitter but it just doesn't match lived experience. It just doesn't reflect what I can see with my own eyes. 

I'd differentiate this from political polls as well as you can clearly see if someone is wearing a mask or not. People don't walk around with "Labour" or "Tory" on their person so we can back up the political polls. 

And if we genuinely do have people out there who want masks back in shops, because they feel they reduce the spread and protect people, you can only sigh and ask why they're not wearing one now then. It makes no sense. 

Things like nightclubs I can understand even if I don't agree with it. They will cause superspreader events and that's just a fact we will have to live with. Given the target demographic of nightclubs we can also be sure that the majority of the population won't visit them. Again, people don't walk around with 'close nightclubs' embossed on their t-shirts. But you can understand why the numbers show what they do. 

I think these You Gove attitude polls might be a bit self selecting. They offer some raffle prize if you do enough of them so I did a few, but the questions got more and more intrusive and psychological so I binned it. You probably have to be of a particular mindset to carry on with them.

Edited August 5, 2021 by welshbairn

[Billy Jean King]

Just received for myself and wife mask exemption certificates.
Whoever put me on to this, many thanks.

Calling Card of Morons thread for pish like this (or quite possibly even Things that Didn't Happen) !

[Lyle Lanley]

See the SG still haven’t published the guidance from Tuesday’s announcement. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by Lyle Lanley

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Lyle Lanley said:

See the SG still haven’t published the guidance from Monday yet. 

They probably haven't decided what to put in it yet.

Edited August 5, 2021 by welshbairn

[Left Back]

26 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Austraia banked on their home grown vaccine sorting them out so didn't put any orders in till it was far too late. They found out just before Christmas that their one gave a false HIV positive reading to those vaccinated, so they scrapped it. My 65 year old sister in NZ still hasn't had her first jag, she thinks the NZ government thought it would be unfair to buy up vaccines when other countries needed them much more, think it's more likely they were banking on the Aussie one too.

They did have a decent amount of AZ but at the time they were starting to use it is when all the scare stories about blood clots started.  At that point I think the population said "f**k that, I want the good Pfizer stuff that isn't going to kill me"

[welshbairn]

4 minutes ago, Left Back said:

They did have a decent amount of AZ but at the time they were starting to use it is when all the scare stories about blood clots started.  At that point I think the population said "f**k that, I want the good Pfizer stuff that isn't going to kill me"

The Aussie politicians slagging it off as dangerous didn't help, probably when they thought their own one was good to go. Then the Italians reneged on sending them a shipment because they needed it themselves. The only thing BJ got right in his farcical premiership was realising that vaccines are cheap as chips compared to the cost of Covid, so threw money at a variety of candidates without knowing if any of them would work.

Edited August 5, 2021 by welshbairn

[Michael W]

It shouldn't be forgotten once this is all over that the likes of Macron have cost thousands of lives with their comments on the AZ vaccine, leading to widespread refusal. 

[pozbaird]

In regard to that image of the insane floor markings in a lift, add these two to the list… apologies if I already posted this, cannae’ remember. Anyway, was recently down in England for a holiday. In one hotel, had a room with a balcony. Went to open it and have a look, but the doors were locked. Phoned reception, who told us a staff member would come with a key and open the balcony doors for us, as the handles on the doors were ‘Covid touchpoints’. I replied, ‘but we’ve touched the room door handle, the light switches, the toilet door, have used the toilet, have touched the bedside lamp switches, and a lot more…. ‘Sorry, it’s the rules. Covid rules’.

Then went to a fish restaurant. Waitress placed glass salt & pepper bottles on the table. I asked if we could have vinegar. She came back with a bowl of vinegar on a plate, and a large plastic syringe with which to syringe up vinegar from the bowl, and scoosh onto your fish. Again, I asked what I thought to be a perfectly reasonable question under such bizarre circumstances - ‘Why is it OK for us to pick up and use the glass salt and pepper bottles, but you’ve given us a syringe and bowl of vinegar? Couldn’t you even have got some of those wee sachets of vinegar in?…. ‘Don’t know, sorry, it’s just the rules because of Covid’.

I firmly believe those responsible for coming up with, and actually implementing these two ‘rules’, should have their baws’ kicked, hard, and often.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

30 minutes ago, pozbaird said:

In regard to that image of the insane floor markings in a lift, add these two to the list… apologies if I already posted this, cannae’ remember. Anyway, was recently down in England for a holiday. In one hotel, had a room with a balcony. Went to open it and have a look, but the doors were locked. Phoned reception, who told us a staff member would come with a key and open the balcony doors for us, as the handles on the doors were ‘Covid touchpoints’. I replied, ‘but we’ve touched the room door handle, the light switches, the toilet door, have used the toilet, have touched the bedside lamp switches, and a lot more…. ‘Sorry, it’s the rules. Covid rules’.

Then went to a fish restaurant. Waitress placed glass salt & pepper bottles on the table. I asked if we could have vinegar. She came back with a bowl of vinegar on a plate, and a large plastic syringe with which to syringe up vinegar from the bowl, and scoosh onto your fish. Again, I asked what I thought to be a perfectly reasonable question under such bizarre circumstances - ‘Why is it OK for us to pick up and use the glass salt and pepper bottles, but you’ve given us a syringe and bowl of vinegar? Couldn’t you even have got some of those wee sachets of vinegar in?…. ‘Don’t know, sorry, it’s just the rules because of Covid’.

I firmly believe those responsible for coming up with, and actually implementing these two ‘rules’, should have their baws’ kicked, hard, and often.

Splendid, so how about directing snippy questions to these people instead of getting shirty with a couple of employees doing what they've been told? 

[Thereisalight..]

58 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Deliberately ignorant of the rules it seems to me. It's fine if that's how you want to operate but it's beyond tiring reading your constant "she shouted at me" updates. 

"Constant"?  don't think I've mentioned anything about shop workers up until today

[Gordon EF]

Very normal afternoon in the oaksoft household by the looks of things.

[NotThePars]

2 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Theres also in probably larger number a load of them who’ve been asked to do something they are entirely uncomfortable with, getting abuse, assaulted, filmed and put on the internet for doing something they’ve been forced to do at risk of losing their jobs in the middle of an economic downturn, brexit and the pending mass job losses post furlough. Id be shiting myself in that respect too in these sectors. 

Have you considered though that they're lower class and apparently speak like neds?

[Michael W]

1 minute ago, NotThePars said:

Have you considered though that they're lower class and apparently speak like neds?

Bet they don't pronounce the 'g' either. 

[Jacksgranda]

Had to go for a Covid test this morning, having been in close contact with someone who tested positive. He was double jagged, too.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

3 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Have you considered though that they're lower class and apparently speak like neds?

Just sound like my wee granny did. She was a classy lady regardless of how she sounded.

[pozbaird]

6 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:

Splendid, so how about directing snippy questions to these people instead of getting shirty with a couple of employees doing what they've been told? 

Who said I got shirty? Do you think it is possible that, the way I spoke to the fish restaurant girl, and the way the entire conversation between us played out, was done in a manner whereby both of us were well aware of the absurd situation, and when I asked ‘couldn’t you get some sachets in’, it was done with a smile, accompanied by me waving my syringe towards the fish while three of us then went on to chat about other daft rules?

Because, my concerned friend, that is how it played out. Thanks though, for knowing the context and nature of how it actually went.