GTee Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Can see vertical drinking being reconsidered. Remember the discussions around substantial meals with an alcoholic drink. Weird times. Would assume the vaccine passport for local pubs/bars will be advisory. Not sure if that could or would be implemented. 8 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: Any time I see this chart, the 15 to 24 age group is always quite low compared to the groups either side. Thought this age bracket would be mixing a fair bit. Surprised to see this trend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, Snafu said: You're a seething mess most of the time anyway. Unfortunately with good reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, GTee said: Can see vertical drinking being reconsidered. Genuinely can't see it. Anything which reduces capacity will lead to reductions in revenue / staff hours and therefore necessitate business grants and furlough schemes. WM won't have any interest in funding this, and the SG certainly can't afford months of that. Hospital numbers have dropped 20% in a week. It's utterly laughable that the catastrophically bald speccy tube has come out with this tbh. He appears to have replaced Clownshoes in the "look like a tit by being a couple of weeks behind the data" stakes. Edited November 9, 2021 by Todd_is_God 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 39 minutes ago, Snafu said: I would assume there's more chance of being injured by being hit on the head from a falling coconut in Pitlochry than a healthy double vaccinated person becoming very ill from this virus now. I live near Pitlochry and can confirm I’ve never been hit on the head by a falling coconut. Now I know they’re a thing I’ll be keeping an eye out. Cheers for the warning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) You do wonder if SG are trying to kill off the hospitality industry by bringing in some more rules that will effect the hospitality sector even more. Edited November 10, 2021 by Lyle Lanley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Remember the SG saying they wouldnt keep restrictions and the vaccine passport for longer than necessary? Now they're wating more restrictions. Double speak at its finest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 18 hours ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 18 hours ago, hk blues said: The precedent is requiring a medical professional to have a particular vaccination to protect the public. Problem being that vaccination doesn't stop you getting it or transmitting it as my double vaxxed Nurse wife recently proved. The vaccine minimises the impact of Covid on those who have been vaccinated, it doesn't prevent people getting it or transmitting it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 9 hours ago, ddfg said: New CDC rules for entry requirements to the US stipulate that your test before travel has to be witnessed by a medical professional. Some companies are offering a video consultation so you can be viewed swabbing yourself, one place in Glasgow has a walk-in service. This might work for relatively small numbers travelling but would appear to be totally unworkable everytime someone want to go the cinema or for a beer. Most branches of Boots do it but it would be way too expensive. The Dutch do it free in hundreds of places and the result uploads to their app. Lasts 24 hours so if you're not vaxxed you need a test every day if you're going to a cafe or bar. If you are vaxxed it's no hassle, just takes them a second or two to scan your QR code, all the staff can do it. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, hk blues said: The vaccine minimises the impact of Covid on those who have been vaccinated, it doesn't prevent people getting it or transmitting it. Then the premise of having a vaccine mandate 'to protect patients' (or anyone else) falls apart completely. If a frontline worker is stupid enough to put themselves at risk of serious illness or death then they should be allowed to do so, with no crocodile tears if they pay the price. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, virginton said: Then the premise of having a vaccine mandate 'to protect patients' (or anyone else) falls apart completely. If a frontline worker is stupid enough to put themselves at risk of serious illness or death then they should be allowed to do so, with no crocodile tears if they pay the price. Yep - I'm not at all in favour of the vaccine mandate in itself, but the fact that it will force some/many/most of those who have chosen not to have the vaccine as yet have one is a spin-off benefit. An aside - where I am they have just confirmed that organisations can legally refuse to pay the end of year bonus/13th month salary to those who have chosen not to be vaccinated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, hk blues said: The vaccine minimises the impact of Covid on those who have been vaccinated, it doesn't prevent people getting it or transmitting it. I'm pretty sure it reduces the viral load they transmit if they do catch it, so lessening the chance of spread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Just now, welshbairn said: I'm pretty sure it reduces the viral load they transmit if they do catch it, so lessening the chance of spread. Aye, lessens the chance but doesn't eliminate it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroMoutinho Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 This time last year businesses were on edge every week waiting for the SG to tell them whether they’d allowed to trade (and what arbitrary restrictions would be in place if so). It’s ludicrous that we’re now back in the same situation a year later when we’re well underway with third vaccine doses. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Just now, PedroMoutinho said: This time last year businesses were on edge every week waiting for the SG to tell them whether they’d allowed to trade (and what arbitrary restrictions would be in place if so). It’s ludicrous that we’re now back in the same situation a year later when we’re well underway with third vaccine doses. The pitiful attempt to show they care more whilst destroying livelihoods really does beggar belief. Absolutely desperate for emergency powers to be extended also. Clueless charlatans who stumble from flawed decision to the next one until the next outcry sees them to another u-turn. It's just as well furlough stopped or we'd all have been in the house for the last couple of months and right through the winter. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 You have to imagine that the SG have done an impact assessment on the hospitality industry and decided to accept what the negative consequences are. I read somewhere that between a fifth and a quarter of Scottish pubs open at the millenium have now closed. Not sure how accurate that is but you definitely get the sense that the pub/hospitality industry is somethign that's down the pecking order. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budmiester1 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, ICTChris said: You have to imagine that the SG have done an impact assessment on the hospitality industry and decided to accept what the negative consequences are. I read somewhere that between a fifth and a quarter of Scottish pubs open at the millenium have now closed. Not sure how accurate that is but you definitely get the sense that the pub/hospitality industry is somethign that's down the pecking order. Or, and I know I’m entering tinfoil hat territory here , they are well aware of the impact of the restrictions and are very happy to see the hospitality industry on its knees. I think they would be very happy to only have the Brewers Fayre type of pub left where you don’t go for a session but a “family “ type of pub where booze is a secondary consideration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, budmiester1 said: Or, and I know I’m entering tinfoil hat territory here , they are well aware of the impact of the restrictions and are very happy to see the hospitality industry on its knees. I think they would be very happy to only have the Brewers Fayre type of pub left where you don’t go for a session but a “family “ type of pub where booze is a secondary consideration. This would essentially be the sort of impact that can be created by social distancing rules and possibly even that stupid scotch egg rule. I would advise as many of you as possible to move down south if the opportunity presents itself. I live in Essex and you’d barely know there’s even a pandemic on at the moment, which is fantastic. We are truly learning to live with it down here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, hk blues said: Yep - I'm not at all in favour of the vaccine mandate in itself, but the fact that it will force some/many/most of those who have chosen not to have the vaccine as yet have one is a spin-off benefit. This is counterbalanced by staff leaving the service however. An already tight health service will get tighter in terms of staffing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, budmiester1 said: Or, and I know I’m entering tinfoil hat territory here , they are well aware of the impact of the restrictions and are very happy to see the hospitality industry on its knees. I think they would be very happy to only have the Brewers Fayre type of pub left where you don’t go for a session but a “family “ type of pub where booze is a secondary consideration. Aye for plebs. There will be always be plenty of high end bars for Nippy and Pat to carouse in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 minute ago, scottsdad said: This is counterbalanced by staff leaving the service however. An already tight health service will get tighter in terms of staffing. Not sure if it's a counterbalance but it's certainly an undesirable consequence of the mandate. Let's see who blinks first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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