Elixir Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Snafu said: I find it strange that given the data so far that the UK Gov are reacting now to bring in restrictions because of Omicron but with the much more severe Delta they did practically nothing. Makes no sense. This is politics, not public health. They got burned politically for 'doing nothing' last time, so had to be seen to 'do something' this time. How we can live our lives is now determined by whether or not hospital capacity might get a bit stretched. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 36 minutes ago, 101 said: Missed this in his press conference, it literally is like the episode of The Thick of It when they may a statement with nothing in it and then say the press missed the statement. He also said that there would soon come a time where it would no longer be right to subject everyone to various NPIs in order to protect those who have chosen not to take the vaccine from the potential for serious illness. In other words, once the data on this becomes stronger and it blows over (which will hopefully be very soon), any future interventions will be placed on the unvaccinated only. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Regardless of the parties at Downing Street, people are adhering less and less to the guidance. NS told Scots to work from home till mid-January. I don't know anyone who has followed that. People who had gone back to the office a few days per week (including my wife) have continued to do that - simply put, the benefits of being around people outweigh the fears of the virus amongst a group of triple-jagged people. Nobody wants to be locked in the house again. If they bring in a Christmas lockdown, many will not follow it. I won't - I'm visiting my parents at Christmas, regardless of any announcements between now and then. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddfg Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Regardless of the parties at Downing Street, people are adhering less and less to the guidance. NS told Scots to work from home till mid-January. I don't know anyone who has followed that. People who had gone back to the office a few days per week (including my wife) have continued to do that - simply put, the benefits of being around people outweigh the fears of the virus amongst a group of triple-jagged people. Nobody wants to be locked in the house again. If they bring in a Christmas lockdown, many will not follow it. I won't - I'm visiting my parents at Christmas, regardless of any announcements between now and then. My concern is that they know large swathes of the population will ignore such restrictions if re-introduced and that they target the same small businesses and the licenced trade as they have done before just to be seen to be doing something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Steiner Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Regardless of the parties at Downing Street, people are adhering less and less to the guidance. NS told Scots to work from home till mid-January. I don't know anyone who has followed that. People who had gone back to the office a few days per week (including my wife) have continued to do that - simply put, the benefits of being around people outweigh the fears of the virus amongst a group of triple-jagged people. Nobody wants to be locked in the house again. If they bring in a Christmas lockdown, many will not follow it. I won't - I'm visiting my parents at Christmas, regardless of any announcements between now and then. Yep, same here. There's absolutely no chance I'm refusing to have my mum spending Christmas with her family including young grandson of 1.5 years old because of yet another 'new variant' and potential pressure on the NHS. The fact she's got epilepsy, clinical depression, terrible balance, arthritis and all sorts of other minor-ish issues from brain operations she had before I was born only makes me more determined. Adhering to these constant rules seems to be far worse than the harm caused by the virus IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, ddfg said: My concern is that they know large swathes of the population will ignore such restrictions if re-introduced and that they target the same small businesses and the licenced trade as they have done before just to be seen to be doing something. Cause that’ll help them at the ballot box… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 'The Science.' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: In other words, once the data on this becomes stronger and it blows over (which will hopefully be very soon), any future interventions will be placed on the unvaccinated only. I take it you would need some kind of vaccine passport scheme to make that work? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Snafu said: It only took a month for Omicron to become the dominant variant in South Africa. Same will happen here and all over Europe. So by Christmas week we will know. After Christmas and New Year nearly everyone will have had it, have it or about to have it. I can see schools opening a week late. I find it strange that given the data so far that the UK Gov are reacting now to bring in restrictions because of Omicron but with the much more severe Delta they did practically nothing. Makes no sense. I think the theory is it might be up to 4 or 5 times more transmissable. If cases go up 500% but it is 50% less harmful then that leads to a 250% rise in hospital admissions As I say only the theory they are presenting. I am pretty hopeful Omicron is a good thing. I did note Boris mentioning they may well abandon this futile red list stuff now that it is widespread. Edited December 9, 2021 by superbigal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairn88 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 20 minutes ago, 101 said: It's nearly cigar time baby. Evidence definitely mounting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 FFS. The university are sending out an announcement later today about working from home. The day after NS gave this guidance for Scotland? No. The day after BJ tried to distract us from his Caligula-style orgies last year? Yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 “While public adherence to Covid guidelines was falling before news emerged of Cummings’ drive to Barnard Castle, the decline worsened in England in the three weeks after, but not in Scotland or Wales,” said Fancourt, associate professor of psychobiology and epidemiology at UCL. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/09/debacle-over-no-10-christmas-party-threatens-efforts-to-control-pandemic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: He also said that there would soon come a time where it would no longer be right to subject everyone to various NPIs in order to protect those who have chosen not to take the vaccine from the potential for serious illness. In other words, once the data on this becomes stronger and it blows over (which will hopefully be very soon), any future interventions will be placed on the unvaccinated only. Which means permanent vaccine passports. Shockerooni. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Poor old Richard Murphy is one of many middle aged people who's brain was permanently damaged by FBPE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 Depends what you did in Tescos. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Depends what you did in Tescos. That is the obvious joke but it's a nasty comment which implies a judgement of guilt due to abnormal behaviour on people who contracted HIV. He's a well meaning fool. I explained that to him a while ago and he banned me off his blog! -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Drakeford privately calling for a full Christmas lockdown 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Just now, Donathan said: Drakeford privately calling for a full Christmas lockdown he's a dick 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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