Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[ddfg]

4 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

If the agenda involves prioritising education over football, that doesn't sound too outrageous.

If the priority is to minimise cases and protect the NHS shutting the schools makes more sense than banning vaccinated adults standing outside in the fresh air for a couple of hours. 

[Honest_Man#1]

9 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

You think nursing staff with infections should be working with potentially vulnerable patients many who will have compromised immune systems be that a cold, flu or Covid. It didn't happen pre Covid and won't happen in the future thankfully. That's crazy stuff.

Yes Covid will become endemic and lived with but there will still be the same exceptions that have always existed. If one thing comes out of all this it will be that we need to stop "soldiering on" with infections and infecting swathes of work colleagues never mind those they care for.

I’m not sure that’s realistic or else the NHS will always be at breaking point with staff absence. If staff are symptomatic then that’s one thing, but if you genuinely think testing of all staff to find asymptomatic cases will be a permanent thing then the NHS is done. This isn’t something that happened in the past, so unsure where you’re getting that from? Asymptomatic staff have never been tested daily for the common cold?

[Todd_is_God]

2 minutes ago, Elixir said:

How much more evidence do we need that this is a glorified cold

A lot of responses to this seem to center around "if you still think it's a cold / flu after 2 years..."

It's not possible to converse in a meaningful way with people who hold that particular view as they choose to ignore that the "payload" of the current virus variant in circulation is almost unrecognisable to the Wuhan variant.

[Detournement]

37 minutes ago, Honest Saints Fan said:

Long covid klaxon. She's not said that for a week or 2.

I predicted that yesterday. 

She didn't recall parliament to say nothing. Whatever she had planned for today she bottled doing it as public opinion has turned.

 

[Elixir]

A wee update on the 'Independent SAGE' approved Chinese approach to 'dealing with covid':

 

[Detournement]

What's actually happening in the one locked down city in China. 

[LongTimeLurker]

2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

A lot of responses to this seem to center around "if you still think it's a cold / flu after 2 years..."

It's not possible to converse in a meaningful way with people who hold that particular view as they choose to ignore that the "payload" of the current virus variant in circulation is almost unrecognisable to the Wuhan variant.

...and are probably unaware that many colds are caused by....wait for it....drum roll....relatively mild coronaviuses.

[Todd_is_God]

As she's now said it twice, NS surely cannot genuinely believe that hospitality venues in England are "facing the same challenges" as venues in Scotland?

They aren't being forcibly closed or having their capacities capped - they are open and allowed to trade to their full capabilities (with income dictated by public footfall alone).

Answers like that are disingenuous and it's odd that none of the opposition politicians have picked up on that answer.

[badgerthewitness]

5 minutes ago, Elixir said:

A wee update on the 'Independent SAGE' approved Chinese approach to 'dealing with covid':

 

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

A lot of responses to this seem to center around "if you still think it's a cold / flu after 2 years..."
It's not possible to converse in a meaningful way with people who hold that particular view as they choose to ignore that the "payload" of the current virus variant in circulation is almost unrecognisable to the Wuhan variant.

Trivialising it as a shan virus or just like the cold though is not helpful either if you want to have that conversation. Remember that people have had 2 years of being bombarded with negative after negative by the press - and it's still happening.

[Todd_is_God]

Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Trivialising it as... just like the cold though is not helpful either if you want to have that conversation. Remember that people have had 2 years of being bombarded with negative after negative by the press - and it's still happening.

 

If Omicron is "just like the cold" then I don't think saying so is trivialising it, though.

[Forever_blueco]

Lol

[Billy Jean King]

I’m not sure that’s realistic or else the NHS will always be at breaking point with staff absence. If staff are symptomatic then that’s one thing, but if you genuinely think testing of all staff to find asymptomatic cases will be a permanent thing then the NHS is done. This isn’t something that happened in the past, so unsure where you’re getting that from? Asymptomatic staff have never been tested daily for the common cold?

Asymptomatic testing wasn't mentioned in the original post I was responding to. NHS staff did go off sick before Covid and will continue to do so where infected. Asymptomatic cases won't be the issue once sector specific mandatory testing stops. Those staff were not routinely tested for any viruses pre Covid AFAIK (might have been for flu in wards that were particularly vulnerable)

[DeeTillEhDeh]

If Omicron is "just like the cold" then I don't think saying so is trivialising it, though.

As ever you miss the point.

I meant having the conversation with people who have 2 years of it being drummed into them the dangers of Covid.

Using that sort of language is just going to get some people's backs up and not convince them otherwise.

[Monkey Tennis]

24 minutes ago, ddfg said:

If the priority is to minimise cases and protect the NHS shutting the schools makes more sense than banning vaccinated adults standing outside in the fresh air for a couple of hours. 

Well of course.  

However, there is some recognition going on that closing sectors carries other costs.  

Now, I think the football situation right now is rather stupid and unnecessary.  Nevertheless, I also think that seeing it as more important in general that schools stay open than football grounds, is perfectly sensible.  It was that 'agenda' that apparently troubled you.

[Todd_is_God]

6 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

As ever you miss the point.

I meant having the conversation with people who have 2 years of it being drummed into them the dangers of Covid.

Using that sort of language is just going to get some people's backs up and not convince them otherwise.

I think it's you that's missed the point tbh.

No amount of persuasion is going to get these people to understand, regardless of how soft the language you use is. The only way they are ever changing their views is if Chris Whitty or Jason Leitch tell them to.

[Michael W]

29% positivity. My word. 

ICU numbers still pretty low despite the case numbers is a good sign. 

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

I think it's you that's missed the point tbh.
No amount of persuasion is going to get these people to understand, regardless of how soft the language you use is. The only way they are ever changing their views is if Chris Whitty or Jason Leitch tell them to.

We'll agree to disagree.

I just feel if you are going to build up pressure on the politicians to roll back restrictions then you need to take people with you - otherwise they will always have the get out of "but people support the restrictions" - which is what a lot of the polls are still telling us.

I'm also thinking about relatives with entrenched views - particularly the elderly (and often with underlying health conditions) - I think softening the language is more helpful in those situations.

[LongTimeLurker]

4 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

...However, there is some recognition going on that closing sectors carries other costs...

If the politicians were not willing/able to make the tough decisions required to genuinely go after zero covid by accepting those costs they shouldn't have targeted politically expedient low risk sectors as a way to make it look like they were actually doing something they weren't. There was a whole charade going on where they were really just letting it rip to save the economy by keeping schools and workplaces open but were constantly guilt tripping people with absurd nanny state rules that were never going to be effective at reversing the wave. Those rules kept getting ratcheted up until the wave finally peaked as it was always going to do anyway.

[Left Back]

9 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

 

 

We'll agree to disagree.

I just feel if you are going to build up pressure on the politicians to roll back restrictions then you need to take people with you - otherwise they will always have the get out of "but people support the restrictions" - which is what a lot of the polls are still telling us.

 

Polls shouldn't come into it and if things are being done purely because of polling data then the people in charge aren't fit to lead.