Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Elixir]

10 hours ago, red23 said:

more so than it is now "if even one person is offended by anything it's one too many" 

Scotland's new slogan.

Our new national motto is 'Scotland the Unbrave', surely? The way we have acted the past two years is certainly not one of a leader on the European stage, that's for sure. Soft and meek as shit.

 

4 hours ago, Dons_1988 said:

Still very bitter about this to be honest. A really depressing indictment of how she sees the population and wants to govern. 

The compliance, even once lifted, will be a dragged out decline as well even once the legal requirement is gone. It will take time for some people to realise they don't have to bother anymore and for them to feel comfortable that they won't be judged for choosing not to wear one. We have endured almost an entire year more of pointless mask theatre than England and most of the Nordics for zero measurable benefit - instead merely entrenching fear. Even now we are months behind swathes of Europe. It is pathetic. Yet still the Simps will shrug their shoulders rather than ask questions.

 

4 hours ago, Donathan said:

Also, by not wearing a mask in a church in England (which is guidance but not law), Stugeon has confirmed that guidance means f**k all 

Have the UK Government not since actively scrapped 'guidance' and 'advice'? I'm pretty sure they advise against 'voluntary Covid certification', unlike our rabble up here who think businesses can chose to operate it if they please 'to make people feel safe'.

 

1 hour ago, NorthernLights said:

Given there are ~20 people in ICU here, which has decreased from ~35 over the past month or so, I find it difficult to believe that our overall admissions figures aren't largely at 'record numbers' because of such parallel increases in incidental admissions. That 74% figure for London is astonishing and gives weight to this, given how remarkably unremarkable our ICU numbers are. Of course, we can't confirm this because of the clown brigade in charge of the data here.

 

1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

I try to avoid going all "Sturgeon is lying to us" etc but I really don't understand why we don't have regular figures for incidental infections in Scotland.  Is there any technical reason why these figures seem elusive here but not in England?  

You have to lean towards the idea that these figures are inconvenient to the SG narrative and so they aren't prioritised.

If she's not *deliberately* lying to us us, she most certainly is deliberately taking us for mugs.

Edited March 31, 2022 by Elixir

[Elixir]

Probably The Best Covid Response In The World: Plague Peninsula.

 

[effeffsee_the2nd]

6 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said:

 

f**k me those replies

politics has became like football, if one side says X then the other MUST say Y, there can be no agreement

the SNP say masks so masks it is

[Dawson Park Boy]

8 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

f**k me those replies

politics has became like football, if one side says X then the other MUST say Y, there can be no agreement

the SNP say masks so masks it is

Are you trying to say that we should just agree with everything the SG say?

Sounds a bit like you’re advocating the end of democracy.

Wow!!

[Elixir]

18 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said:

 

Yup, our incidental admissions will be near London levels - guaranteed. More Scottish Government misleading on the back of gubbins modelling. Embarrassing.

Quote

There were 2,344 people in hospital with Covid-19 yesterday, down from 2,383 on Tuesday. The number of people in intensive care has fallen sharply from 33 on March 15 to 20 yesterday.

The latest figures are another blow for government modellers, who forecast more than 50 intensive care cases by the end of March. Such cases were forecast to rise above 80 in mid-April, while cases on general wards were expected to rise to almost 3,500. It is too soon to say whether today’s slight dip is the beginning of a longer downward trend.

Previous government modelling predicting a large wave of cases in January prompted Sturgeon to close nightclubs and ban dancing in pubs on Boxing Day. The wave never emerged.

Sturgeon continues to impose the toughest coronavirus restrictions in the UK but the country has the highest case numbers. Hospital occupancy is equivalent to 44 cases per 100,000 in Scotland, compared with 27 per 100,000 in England.

 

[Elixir]

13 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

the SNP say masks so masks it is

Except if you're south of the border, of course.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

5 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Are you trying to say that we should just agree with everything the SG say?

Sounds a bit like you’re advocating the end of democracy.

Wow!!

Sounds like you're still a fucking moron tbh.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

11 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Are you trying to say that we should just agree with everything the SG say?

Sounds a bit like you’re advocating the end of democracy.

Wow!!

Not at all, take a look at the replies from SNP supporters. they won't criticize their own team or their manager for anything at all.  some people just can't see past it. one person enjoys going to live music regularly, and was delighted when it was finally allowed again last September, but when the SNP called the omicron mini lockdown at christmas time turned 180 and called the torries murderers for keeping them open in England

[Billy Jean King]

If the numbers flying about for England are accurately reflecting the level of patients who are testing positive after being admitted for another reason other than Covid ie they were most unlikely to know they had it, the notion that 1 in 11 have it must be wildly inaccurate. A random sample of the public turning up at hospital for either routine or emergency reasons then being tested for Covid should see positivity figures roughly similar to the estimates of infection within the public in general. The London figures are wild in comparison suggesting the ONS 1 in 11 is a huge underestimate.

[Elixir]

^^^ word salad

The ONS survey is the gold standard for tracking infection rates.

[Glennie]

11 hours ago, red23 said:

more so than it is now "if even one person is offended by anything it's one too many" 

Scotland's new slogan.

this is big state politics mate

long overdue a political party that will drastically wind back the size and power of the state, get the living f**k out of our lives

I'm so done with these fix things cretins

[Dawson Park Boy]

1 hour ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Not at all, take a look at the replies from SNP supporters. they won't criticize their own team or their manager for anything at all.  some people just can't see past it. one person enjoys going to live music regularly, and was delighted when it was finally allowed again last September, but when the SNP called the omicron mini lockdown at christmas time turned 180 and called the torries murderers for keeping them open in England

Sorry.

I seem to have misinterpreted what you were saying.

[Michael W]

Borderline anti-vax stuff from a fake sage drone. Regrettably, Reicher is also on actual SAGE. 

[bairn88]

27 minutes ago, Michael W said:

Borderline anti-vax stuff from a fake sage drone. Regrettably, Reicher is also on actual SAGE. 

As someone in the comments pointed out, zero covid SAGE are now more anti vax than actual anti vaxxers. They've at least moved on to other things.

[scottsdad]

2 hours ago, Elixir said:

^^^ word salad

The ONS survey is the gold standard for tracking infection rates.

Yes, it is the best way. If I remember correctly, some guy used to (and maybe still does) go round to see @craigkillie regularly and test him as part of this study.

What he didn't realise was that the guy wasn't from ONS, but was just a guy with a nasal swabbing fetish filling his boots whilst the opportunity was there. 

[superbigal]

Uncle Jason been writing to the kiddiewinks today.

As you may have heard, although case rates are currently high in Scotland we believe that the epidemic is increasingly moving into a calmer phase. This has been made possible by remarkable progress on vaccination and people’s willingness to take it up, and by new treatments, which have both helped reduce the severity of the impact of the virus. COVID-19 remains a threat, but we are hopeful that this threat will continue to reduce as we head into the spring and summer. We believe the time is therefore right to make further changes to the measures taken across society, including within education and childcare settings. We hope these changes will allow children and young people to enjoy a more normal experience of early learning and childcare (ELC) and school after two years of disruption. However, I recognise that some families might still have concerns about safety, so I’m writing to you to explain the reasons for the decision, to help clarify how this impacts on children and young people, and to emphasise the importance we are placing on retaining a sensible set of routine protective measures. As always, this decision has been informed by a range of scientific advice and clinical evidence. Although infection rates are currently high the evidence shows that, compared to adults, children and young people still have a very low risk of severe COVID-19 related health outcomes. Those without symptoms (who are asymptomatic) are also at a relatively lower risk of transmitting the virus compared to those who do have symptoms. Although the Omicron variant has higher transmissibility than previous variants, there is no evidence suggesting that it impacts children and young people disproportionately. Severe health outcomes for all age groups are far less likely to arise while vaccination rates are high. Our Advisory Subgroup on Education and Children’s Issues – which includes scientific and public health experts, clinicians and academics, as well as experts in education, early learning and children’s services – routinely publishes its advice and supporting evidence should you wish to explore this further. The Sub Group has made clear that protective measures in schools and childcare settings should therefore be in step with those that apply in wider society. St Andrew’s House, Regent Road, Edinburgh EH1 3DG www.gov.scot        However, the pandemic is not over and I wanted to take the opportunity to explain the routine protective measures that will remain in place in childcare settings and schools as we enter this new phase:  children, young people and adults should stay at home and self-isolate if they: o have symptoms of COVID-19, whether they feel unwell or not o have tested positive, even if they have no symptoms o are required to self-isolate for any other reason e.g. travel-related reasons o are identified as a close contact and are over 18 years and 4 months and are not fully vaccinated  good hand hygiene and cleaning in ELC and school environments and on dedicated school transport will continue to be encouraged and supported  an ongoing focus on the importance of good ventilation and the potential for CO2 monitors to be utilised to ensure good air quality in enclosed spaces, with the goal that all school buildings, including all learning and teaching spaces, and ELC settings should be assessed regularly for ventilation issues, taking remedial action where required.  the requirements for face coverings for staff and young people in secondary schools, and for staff in primary schools and ELC should be in line with the general guidance for safety in the workplace (but there remains no need for staff to wear masks when they are working with children).  physical distancing will not be required among children and young people, but staff should continue to take reasonable steps to keep a safe distance from other adults (and between adults and school-aged children and young people wherever possible) in line with the requirements for other workplaces.  arrangements for dedicated school transport should follow the general guidance for public transport on the use of face coverings, cleaning, hygiene and ventilation  ongoing need for outbreak management capability, including active surveillance  assessments on the use of Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) should continue to be undertaken for those who work in close contact with children and young people I know that many of you, and/or your children, have been testing regularly using LFDs during the course of the pandemic. The asymptomatic testing programme has played an important part in the suite of measures to reduce risks in schools and ELC settings over the course of the pandemic. However, in view of the latest position in the pandemic, from 18th April, we will no longer ask school and ELC staff and secondary pupils in mainstream and special schools and ELC settings to test regularly. The regular asymptomatic testing programme will therefore end in schools from the end of this term (for ELC settings which do not operate to school term dates, the final date for testing will be 17th April). Our wider Test and Protect Transition Plan will also see regular testing in low-risk workplaces, and the universal testing programme, end operation on the same timescales (ending from 18th April). Further details on the planned changes to other aspects of testing (including close contact testing) can be found in the Transition Plan. I fully appreciate that some people who have built regular testing into their daily lives may feel anxious about these changes in our overarching approach to dealing with COVID-19. However, please be assured that this decision has been informed by expert advice, including from Public Health Scotland and the Advisory Sub-group on Education and Children’s Issues. As highlighted above, at the current time, the population has much stronger protection against COVID-19 than at any other point in the pandemic, due to the success of the vaccination programme and the development of natural immunity to the infection. Severe health outcomes are therefore are now far less likely to arise, and the availability of and St Andrew’s House, Regent Road, Edinburgh EH1 3DG www.gov.scot        access to antiviral treatments, coupled with increased scientific and public understanding about how to manage risk. We will continue to monitor where the virus is through surveillance programmes. It will still be possible for local health protection teams to opt to make use of asymptomatic testing in outbreak management situations in schools/settings, if their expert judgement is that it is appropriate to do so. Schools can continue to distribute test kits to staff and secondary pupils as usual until the end of this term, and ELC settings can distribute test kits to staff until 17th April. The remaining routine protective measures will also play an important role in helping minimise risks in schools/settings. We continue to encourage people to get vaccinated if they are eligible to do so and further information on vaccines can be found at NHS Inform Scotland. I hope that this provides some reassurance and clarification of the plans to continue living with COVID-19. In closing, I’d particularly like to add my sincere thanks and recognition of the immense efforts by you and your families to protect yourselves and your communities during these challenging times. Jason Leitch National Clinical Director

[Billy Jean King]

^^^ word salad
The ONS survey is the gold standard for tracking infection rates.

So 1 in 11 infected is definitely correct if it's "gold standard" and you can't see the contradiction there with the admissions "with covid" ?

60% of the current Scottish covid hospital cases (using an average English with covid fig) is between 1300 and 1400. Assuming every admission is tested and on average 1 in 11 should have it, there must be some number of people being admitted to hospital which is slightly surprising given all we hear are waiting lists, no beds and crisis upon crisis.

I'm not doubting the with and from Covid figs it just seems there may be more of it in the community than they think if so many people just turning up for another reason suddenly test positive. The alternative is hospitals are getting through more cases than we are lead to believe but I find that hard to swallow given the number of people I know personally sitting on waiting lists for years.

[TheScarf]

30 minutes ago, superbigal said:

Uncle Jason been writing to the kiddiewinks today.

As you may have heard, although case rates are currently high in Scotland we believe that the epidemic is increasingly moving into a calmer phase. This has been made possible by remarkable progress on vaccination and people’s willingness to take it up, and by new treatments, which have both helped reduce the severity of the impact of the virus. COVID-19 remains a threat, but we are hopeful that this threat will continue to reduce as we head into the spring and summer. We believe the time is therefore right to make further changes to the measures taken across society, including within education and childcare settings. We hope these changes will allow children and young people to enjoy a more normal experience of early learning and childcare (ELC) and school after two years of disruption. However, I recognise that some families might still have concerns about safety, so I’m writing to you to explain the reasons for the decision, to help clarify how this impacts on children and young people, and to emphasise the importance we are placing on retaining a sensible set of routine protective measures. As always, this decision has been informed by a range of scientific advice and clinical evidence. Although infection rates are currently high the evidence shows that, compared to adults, children and young people still have a very low risk of severe COVID-19 related health outcomes. Those without symptoms (who are asymptomatic) are also at a relatively lower risk of transmitting the virus compared to those who do have symptoms. Although the Omicron variant has higher transmissibility than previous variants, there is no evidence suggesting that it impacts children and young people disproportionately. Severe health outcomes for all age groups are far less likely to arise while vaccination rates are high. Our Advisory Subgroup on Education and Children’s Issues – which includes scientific and public health experts, clinicians and academics, as well as experts in education, early learning and children’s services – routinely publishes its advice and supporting evidence should you wish to explore this further. The Sub Group has made clear that protective measures in schools and childcare settings should therefore be in step with those that apply in wider society. St Andrew’s House, Regent Road, Edinburgh EH1 3DG www.gov.scot        However, the pandemic is not over and I wanted to take the opportunity to explain the routine protective measures that will remain in place in childcare settings and schools as we enter this new phase:  children, young people and adults should stay at home and self-isolate if they: o have symptoms of COVID-19, whether they feel unwell or not o have tested positive, even if they have no symptoms o are required to self-isolate for any other reason e.g. travel-related reasons o are identified as a close contact and are over 18 years and 4 months and are not fully vaccinated  good hand hygiene and cleaning in ELC and school environments and on dedicated school transport will continue to be encouraged and supported  an ongoing focus on the importance of good ventilation and the potential for CO2 monitors to be utilised to ensure good air quality in enclosed spaces, with the goal that all school buildings, including all learning and teaching spaces, and ELC settings should be assessed regularly for ventilation issues, taking remedial action where required.  the requirements for face coverings for staff and young people in secondary schools, and for staff in primary schools and ELC should be in line with the general guidance for safety in the workplace (but there remains no need for staff to wear masks when they are working with children).  physical distancing will not be required among children and young people, but staff should continue to take reasonable steps to keep a safe distance from other adults (and between adults and school-aged children and young people wherever possible) in line with the requirements for other workplaces.  arrangements for dedicated school transport should follow the general guidance for public transport on the use of face coverings, cleaning, hygiene and ventilation  ongoing need for outbreak management capability, including active surveillance  assessments on the use of Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) should continue to be undertaken for those who work in close contact with children and young people I know that many of you, and/or your children, have been testing regularly using LFDs during the course of the pandemic. The asymptomatic testing programme has played an important part in the suite of measures to reduce risks in schools and ELC settings over the course of the pandemic. However, in view of the latest position in the pandemic, from 18th April, we will no longer ask school and ELC staff and secondary pupils in mainstream and special schools and ELC settings to test regularly. The regular asymptomatic testing programme will therefore end in schools from the end of this term (for ELC settings which do not operate to school term dates, the final date for testing will be 17th April). Our wider Test and Protect Transition Plan will also see regular testing in low-risk workplaces, and the universal testing programme, end operation on the same timescales (ending from 18th April). Further details on the planned changes to other aspects of testing (including close contact testing) can be found in the Transition Plan. I fully appreciate that some people who have built regular testing into their daily lives may feel anxious about these changes in our overarching approach to dealing with COVID-19. However, please be assured that this decision has been informed by expert advice, including from Public Health Scotland and the Advisory Sub-group on Education and Children’s Issues. As highlighted above, at the current time, the population has much stronger protection against COVID-19 than at any other point in the pandemic, due to the success of the vaccination programme and the development of natural immunity to the infection. Severe health outcomes are therefore are now far less likely to arise, and the availability of and St Andrew’s House, Regent Road, Edinburgh EH1 3DG www.gov.scot        access to antiviral treatments, coupled with increased scientific and public understanding about how to manage risk. We will continue to monitor where the virus is through surveillance programmes. It will still be possible for local health protection teams to opt to make use of asymptomatic testing in outbreak management situations in schools/settings, if their expert judgement is that it is appropriate to do so. Schools can continue to distribute test kits to staff and secondary pupils as usual until the end of this term, and ELC settings can distribute test kits to staff until 17th April. The remaining routine protective measures will also play an important role in helping minimise risks in schools/settings. We continue to encourage people to get vaccinated if they are eligible to do so and further information on vaccines can be found at NHS Inform Scotland. I hope that this provides some reassurance and clarification of the plans to continue living with COVID-19. In closing, I’d particularly like to add my sincere thanks and recognition of the immense efforts by you and your families to protect yourselves and your communities during these challenging times. Jason Leitch National Clinical Director

[craigkillie]

1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said:

2 hours ago, Elixir said:

^^^ word salad
The ONS survey is the gold standard for tracking infection rates.

So 1 in 11 infected is definitely correct if it's "gold standard" and you can't see the contradiction there with the admissions "with covid" ?

You're making the assumption that the probability of being admitted to hospital for non-covid reasons is exactly the same for a person regardless of their covid status. In reality there will be lots of confounding factors involved.

[Elixir]

2 hours ago, Michael W said:

Borderline anti-vax stuff from a fake sage drone. Regrettably, Reicher is also on actual SAGE. 

Diet SAGE are an absolute joke cult confined to the psycho fringes of Twitter. Their 'members' should be binned from any associated institutions.

It's 'a myth that we have vaccines which protect us' according to these fucking reptiles. They have saved MILLIONS of lives around the world. Truly, horseshoe theory in action.

 

30 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

3 hours ago, Elixir said:

^^^ word salad
The ONS survey is the gold standard for tracking infection rates.

So 1 in 11 infected is definitely correct if it's "gold standard" and you can't see the contradiction there with the admissions "with covid" ?

There is no contradiction. The ONS survey will pick up people with hee haw wrong with them every bit as much as folk getting tested as they go into hospital for any reason.