Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[renton]

2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Just out a work meeting and Face coverings will be made compulsory in an SG announcement within the next 24hrs. Will apply on Public Transport including school transport, taxis private hire

Guess that gets wrapped up with whatever the phase 2 announcement is tomorrow. 

[welshbairn]

[Melanius Mullarkey]

29 minutes ago, Tynierose said:

Unless you're the rangers.

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

28 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

The Swedish strategy is playing out well for them.

[Scotty Tunbridge]

Not sticking up for WM or Bojo here but I’d imagine the papers are only running with this as Brazil will overtake us in the coming days/weeks. Still not surprising though.

Mental figure for Sweden who id imagine probably has a relatively healthy population. Can only imagine where the UK would be if they continued the Swedish herd immunity approach instead of implementing our farcical ‘lockdown’

[Bairnardo]

Without meaning to be overly simplistic about it, how in the f**k are the people vulnerable enough to be still dying of this actually catching it.

Also, why is Nicola Sturgeon fear mongering with talk of "putting our children's lives at risk"? I am a parent and I personally would put my kids back into school tonorrow.

[jamamafegan]

49 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

source for this? 

[renton]

4 minutes ago, jamamafegan said:

source for this? 

Bottom left of image.

[Arthur Orton]

2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Without meaning to be overly simplistic about it, how in the f**k are the people vulnerable enough to be still dying of this actually catching it.

Also, why is Nicola Sturgeon fear mongering with talk of "putting our children's lives at risk"? I am a parent and I personally would put my kids back into school tonorrow.

Carers, hospital staff etc who are infected but don't have symptoms may be passing it on.

Sturgeon is at it in respect of her comments about putting kids at risk, playing on the heart strings to hide their complete ineptness in dealing with this mess.   They're putting kids at risk by stopping their education, stopping grassroots sports, stopping them socialising.

Just look at the u turn after Swinney comments.

And before I'm accused of being a Tory for slating the SG handling of this I have voted SNP for twenty years, however that does not make them exempt to criticism over their handling of this whole debacle.

[Detournement]

Clearly the death figures are so high because the NHS has largely shutdown and if you coughed in the last week Covid goes on the death certificate.

[Thereisalight..]

1 hour ago, Billy Jean King said:

Just out a work meeting and Face coverings will be made compulsory in an SG announcement within the next 24hrs. Will apply on Public Transport including school transport, taxis private hire. Will NOT be in conjunction with any SD reduction, it will remain at 2m

 

 

 Compulsory on transport only surely? Or have we to wear them in shops too?

4 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Without meaning to be overly simplistic about it, how in the f**k are the people vulnerable enough to be still dying of this actually catching it.

Also, why is Nicola Sturgeon fear mongering with talk of "putting our children's lives at risk"? I am a parent and I personally would put my kids back into school tonorrow.

She’s probably bringing kids into it now to put fear into parents, who’ll then pander to her moving at a snails pace

[welshbairn]

13 minutes ago, jamamafegan said:

source for this? 

Just twitter, and the sources listed on the graphic. Looks a couple of weeks old. Can't vouch for its accuracy.

 

[WhiteRoseKillie]

5 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Without meaning to be overly simplistic about it, how in the f**k are the people vulnerable enough to be still dying of this actually catching it.

Also, why is Nicola Sturgeon fear mongering with talk of "putting our children's lives at risk"? I am a parent and I personally would put my kids back into school tonorrow.

I'm a parent* too, and I don't want my daughter teaching up to eighty kids a day who come from homes where she has no idea of compliance levels. Safety can be maintained, or at least the risks mitigated, if appropriate Control Measures are in place. Fact is, they're not.  Johnson's simplistic slogan of the day, that schools are safe, means nothing until we know what CMs are in place to differentiate the environment. Without that clarification, what he's saying is, "back to normal, serfs!" for EVERY environment.

So lockdown's over - but then, the GBP decided that the minute Johnson supported Cummings in the most obvious "fúck you" a Government has delivered to the country in my lifetime - and I include Bliar's Iraq adventure in that.

Forget BLM or wee Tommy's Home Guard - ten thousand or so arseholes got together to get pissed in fields in the north of England at the weekend, for no other reason than they wanted to get pissed. Police action? They are (one assumes) investigating the sexual and knife attacks, but the breaking of lockdown or even Public Order offences? Not so much.

*And grandparent.

[Todd_is_God]

17 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Without meaning to be overly simplistic about it, how in the f**k are the people vulnerable enough to be still dying of this actually catching it.

Also, why is Nicola Sturgeon fear mongering with talk of "putting our children's lives at risk"? I am a parent and I personally would put my kids back into school tonorrow.

Outwith care homes, 35 people died of or at least suspected of, covid-19, 28 of which were in hospitals.

How many of those 28 caught the virus whilst im hospital? Potentially whilst in for treatment of their underlying condition.

[Todd_is_God]

5 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

I'm a parent* too, and I don't want my daughter teaching up to eighty kids a day who come from homes where she has no idea of compliance levels. Safety can be maintained, or at least the risks mitigated, if appropriate Control Measures are in place. Fact is, they're not.  Johnson's simplistic slogan of the day, that schools are safe, means nothing until we know what CMs are in place to differentiate the environment. Without that clarification, what he's saying is, "back to normal, serfs!" for EVERY environment.

So lockdown's over - but then, the GBP decided that the minute Johnson supported Cummings in the most obvious "fúck you" a Government has delivered to the country in my lifetime - and I include Bliar's Iraq adventure in that.

Forget BLM or wee Tommy's Home Guard - ten thousand or so arseholes got together to get pissed in fields in the north of England at the weekend, for no other reason than they wanted to get pissed. Police action? They are (one assumes) investigating the sexual and knife attacks, but the breaking of lockdown or even Public Order offences? Not so much.

*And grandparent.

Teachers themselves are surely at very little risk. They are within 2m of very few (if any) pupils when at the front of the class, and, when it becomes 1m, none.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Todd_is_God

[WhiteRoseKillie]

6 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Teachers themselves are surely at very little risk. They are within 2m of very few (if any) pupils when at the front of the class, and, when it becomes 1m, none.

Oh, I forgot - all teachers remain motionless in one place throughout the day. Silly me.

[Bairnardo]

25 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

Because the people delivering their meals or coming to give them a bath are agency staff with no sick pay and inadequte PPE - plus there was an remains a weird attitude that it's all puff and nonsense from over 70s so they've probably taken fewer precautions than younger people.

That sick pay issue is going to cause fucking bedlam with test and protect going forward tbh. They would be better served getting employers into toe the line over that than begging for extension of furlough

[Todd_is_God]

8 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

Oh, I forgot - all teachers remain motionless in one place throughout the day. Silly me.

Whilst that isn't what I said, I certainly don't remember teachers when I was at school being all up in my grill all day every day.

99% of the time they are nowhere near a specific pupil.

It's no different to the argument that one way systems inside, or queuing outside, a supermarket is not necessary. The time spent within what will likely be 1m by August of any pupil will be absolutely minimal. And there are aditional measures that could be taken (wearing of visors, for example) to mitigate further.

Providing pupils with symptoms do not attend school, or are sent home, from the POV of teacher safety it is much less of an issue than is being made out.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Todd_is_God

[The Moonster]

14 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Teachers themselves are surely at very little risk. They are within 2m of very few (if any) pupils when at the front of the class, and, when it becomes 1m, none.

Have they not said if you're with someone for more than 15 minutes, even at 2m distance, you could still catch it?  I imagine airflow in classrooms will contribute as well.

[Bairnardo]

5 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Whilst that isn't what I said, I certainly don't remember teachers when I was at school being all up in my grill all day every day.

99% of the time they are nowhere near a specific pupil

And were a teacher one for greater levels of contact, could easily dial that back as part of their mitigation. Like yourself, my teachers stood up at the front of the class, certainly no closer than 2 metres to us, or behind their desk