Todd_is_God Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 This video is quite long, but very interesting. https://player.vimeo.com/video/443416775 It explains why using PCR testing on asymptomatic people may not be a particularly accurate measurement. In particular, the mention of a positive result from a fragment of RNA being present might explain why so many "positive" results are found when testing close contacts, and also why we aren't seeing an increase in hospital admissions from these numbers. Combining that information with what we know about the main risk factor of age could be very useful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, John MacLean said: Interesting to hear the Health Secretary talking about establishing a support framework to help people through recovery and rehabilitation from Covid. This shocked me as some people would almost have you believe that if you catch Covid you either die (and you were probably ill/old anyway and your time was basically up in any case) or you sit on the couch for a week or so watching Netflix and occasionally coughing. Who would have thought that death might not be the only health related issue to contracting Covid which is, of course, no longer dangerous. All part of the fear-mongering imo. Don't believe a word of it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: This video is quite long, but very interesting. https://player.vimeo.com/video/443416775 It explains why using PCR testing on asymptomatic people may not be a particularly accurate measurement. In particular, the mention of a positive result from a fragment of RNA being present might explain why so many "positive" results are found when testing close contacts, and also why we aren't seeing an increase in hospital admissions from these numbers. Combining that information with what we know about the main risk factor of age could be very useful. I'm glad you warned me it's long. The organisation is run by a bunch of German lawyers experienced in litigation (their description) who think their freedoms are been taken away by having to wear face coverings, and that the virus is just like the flu. Think I'll give it a miss. https://corona-ausschuss.de/ueber-den-ausschuss/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'm glad you warned me it's long. The organisation is run by a bunch of German lawyers experienced in litigation (their description) who think their freedoms are been taken away by having to wear face coverings, and that the virus is just like the flu. Think I'll give it a miss. https://corona-ausschuss.de/ueber-den-ausschuss/ What's their stance on climate change? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'm glad you warned me it's long. The organisation is run by a bunch of German lawyers experienced in litigation (their description) who think their freedoms are been taken away by having to wear face coverings, and that the virus is just like the flu. Think I'll give it a miss. https://corona-ausschuss.de/ueber-den-ausschuss/ Thank you for the background info. None of that alone means that what Prof. Kämmerer says is untrue. Unless, of course, you are saying she is also a member of said organisation and therefore has a biased view? Edited August 13, 2020 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MacLean Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Angusfifer said: What's their stance on climate change? "Far too convenient" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Thank you for the background info. None of that alone means that what Prof. Kämmerer says is untrue. Unless, of course, you are saying she is also a member of said organisation and therefore has a biased view? From what I can quickly gather without being remotely fluent in German, she seems to believe you can cure cancer by following the Keto diet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: From what I can quickly gather without being remotely fluent in German, she seems to believe you can cure cancer by following the Keto diet. You aren't being entirely truthful there, are you? From what I can quickly gather, she suggests the Keto diet may aid recovery better than other 'healthy' diets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: From what I can quickly gather without being remotely fluent in German, she seems to believe you can cure cancer by following the Keto diet. Yeah this seems to be her https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267662/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) Incredible. The lockdownphiles combine to try to discredit someone on the basis they believe and research whether a certain diet may help prevent cancers forming, or that, when combined with radio / chemotherapy, they may help with recovery and rehabillitation after. What a strange world. Edited August 13, 2020 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Incredible. The lockdownphiles combine to try to discredit someone on the basis they believe and research whether a certain diet may help prevent cancers forming, or that, when combined with radio / chemotherapy, they may help with recovery and rehabillitation after. What a strange world. Take a chill pill Todd. I looked her up when I saw you guys discussing her. Besides, it's hardly a ridiculous assertion that someone who has off the wall beliefs in one area may also be a bit out there in others. Nor is it out of order to question them in all areas when they do believe in something bizarre Most conspiracy theorists for example don't only believe in one. It's called being credulous. Edited August 13, 2020 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Btw is lockdownphiles synonymous with 2nd wavers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John MacLean Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Incredible. The lockdownphiles combine to try to discredit someone on the basis they believe a healthy diet may help prevent cancers forming, or that, when combined with radio / chemotherapy, they may help with recovery and rehabillitation after. What a strange world. "Lockdownphiles" - wow. I really don't like speaking for other people but I suspect that people have less of an issue with what you outline above than they do with the infantile conclusions you decide to draw from whatever graph/paper/video you think you've understood and decide supports your seemingly inflexible narrative. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 minute ago, madwullie said: Take a chill pill Todd. I looked her up when I saw you guys discussing her. Besides, it's hardly a ridiculous assertion that someone who has off the wall beliefs in one area may also be a bit out there in others. Most conspiracy theorists for example don't only believe in one. It's called being credulous. She isn't claiming it cures cancer, though. Pretty sure exploring whether or not diet has an impact on preventing cancer / aiding recovery is quite common. Anyway, back to her part of the video, it's clear that neither of you have listened to what she says. She doesn't personally have an opinion on how effective they are - she merely explains how they work, their limitations, and how, in certain conditions, further tests would be required to confirm someone was currently infected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 The study I posted from the brief read I had has more to do with treating cancer rather than aiding recovery. She gets into the sugar stuff as well. If David Icke cames out with something passably sensible, it's tainted by his past lizard nonsense. It's not unusual or out of order to question someone's thinking when their thinking has previously been proven to be suspect. It's called checking sources 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, madwullie said: Btw is lockdownphiles synonymous with 2nd wavers? Hmmm. No - I'd say that while all lockdownphiles are second wavers, not all second wavers are lockdownphiles 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, madwullie said: The study I posted from the brief read I had has more to do with treating cancer rather than aiding recovery. She gets into the sugar stuff as well. If David Icke cames out with something passably sensible, it's tainted by his past lizard nonsense. It's not unusual or out of order to question someone's thinking when their thinking has previously been proven to be suspect. It's called checking sources I assume this does not apply to Neil Ferguson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I assume this does not apply to Neil Ferguson Not when you misattribute forecasts to him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I assume this does not apply to Neil Ferguson @renton raised some pretty good points about Neil Ferguson the other day I thought 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I assume this does not apply to Neil Ferguson I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest modelling the potential progress of brand new diseases with innumerable variables is a slightly tougher ask than believing or not believing that the queen is a lizard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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