Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

8 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

 

 

Apologies for not multi quoting, seen this after my last post, but what are you basing your "no progress" assessment on? The Oxford one seems to be very close indeed.

 

The WHO are saying mid 2021 themselves. 
 

Think the most likely outcome mid-long term is this becomes accepted as an endemic illness and we manage it that way. 

[D.A.F.C]

Apologies for not multi quoting, seen this after my last post, but what are you basing your "no progress" assessment on? The Oxford one seems to be very close indeed.

Not sure about very close, its shown to have an auto immune response.
Getting from there to using it in enough people safely this year? Even within nine months. I would love it if this was a realistic timescale. Its fantastic if we can get a vaccine but what I'm saying is that perhaps TTT should be ramped up as much as possible.
An effective daily test, even for all vulnerable and support workers would be as effective as a vaccine and could actually be done.
A vaccine is still not 100% certain yet. Of course nobody will come out and tell us that even nine months is a daft timescale.
Trump was talking about one being ready months ago. China and Russia said they had a working vaccine. Some of this is political.

[Bairnardo]

1 minute ago, D.A.F.C said:

Not sure about very close, its shown to have an auto immune response.
Getting from there to using it in enough people safely this year? Even within nine months. I would love it if this was a realistic timescale. Its fantastic if we can get a vaccine but what I'm saying is that perhaps TTT should be ramped up as much as possible.
An effective daily test, even for all vulnerable and support workers would be as effective as a vaccine and could actually be done.
A vaccine is still not 100% certain yet. Of course nobody will come out and tell us that even nine months is a daft timescale.
Trump was talking about one being ready months ago. China and Russia said they had a working vaccine. Some of this is political.

Russia and China have been vaccinating people though. Russia I believe the public and China are giving it to their military. The oxford/AZ one is already being manufactured on the assumption it passes trials. 

Genuinely not sure where you are getting this stuff from unless you dont believe the info that is being put out there. 9 months is not realistic to get to the levels of global vaccination that we eventually need to get to, it certainly doesnt seem unrealistic to have done enough in the UK itself in order to start shedding some restrictions though. 

[RH33]

15 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Yeh, the default from NHS 24 is ‘oh youre suicidal? Do you have a knife in your kitchen? Or have you ever felt anger in your life?’ - yes ‘oh my your a safety risk so we’ll get the police to go in the first instance’ , call transferred and police told person suicidal and has access to knife, its utterly stupid. 
You then have police going to calls which should be attended by paramedics or CPN’s, people in real crisis who are asking for help and the response is untrained people who ultimately try their best but are limited to only phoning a CPN or taking them to A&E, just the NHS shifting their lack of resources onto an agency which can’t say no. 

As I understand it more and more police time is being taken up with mental health issues. People ending up in cells as there’s nowhere else for people at risk to be taken. I’ve called NHS24 Out of hours twice and wouldn’t bother again. 
Covid will only see things get worse.

[dirty dingus]

Just now, Bairnardo said:

Russia and China have been vaccinating people though. Russia I believe the public and China are giving it to their military. The oxford/AZ one is already being manufactured on the assumption it passes trials. 

Genuinely not sure where you are getting this stuff from unless you dont believe the info that is being put out there. 9 months is not realistic to get to the levels of global vaccination that we eventually need to get to, it certainly doesnt seem unrealistic to have done enough in the UK itself in order to start shedding some restrictions though. 

Is Trump not planning to unleash some sort of vaccine in a couple of weeks to try buy the election? If it fails he'll just blame those who didn't pray hard enough.

[Bairnardo]

Just now, dirty dingus said:

Is Trump not planning to unleash some sort of vaccine in a couple of weeks to try buy the election? If it fails he'll just blame those who didn't pray hard enough.

Wouldnt be even a small surprise if he did. Unlike most places who will prioritise health workers, the elderly and those with health issues, Trump prioritising racist arseholes will see him get a second term

[dirty dingus]

1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

Wouldnt be even a small surprise if he did. Unlike most places who will prioritise health workers, the elderly and those with health issues, Trump prioritising racist arseholes will see him get a second term

c***s at it.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/trump-political-play-vaccine-covid-election

 

 

[D.A.F.C]

Russia and China have been vaccinating people though. Russia I believe the public and China are giving it to their military. The oxford/AZ one is already being manufactured on the assumption it passes trials. 
Genuinely not sure where you are getting this stuff from unless you dont believe the info that is being put out there. 9 months is not realistic to get to the levels of global vaccination that we eventually need to get to, it certainly doesnt seem unrealistic to have done enough in the UK itself in order to start shedding some restrictions though. 

Well hopefully, im not quoting any conspiracy stuff or even looking at any of it.
Just a healthy amount of cynicism based on the history of vaccines and medical testing. I've got it into my head that pretty much everything is on hold for at least a year. That way if the vaccine doesn't come out soon then im ready for it.
Testing tracing and treatments could and should be looked upon as important as a vaccine though.
Would like to hear a proper grown up discussion from worldwide governments though and a united front rather than everyone just scrambling around trying to make short term saves to economies that have cost more jobs, money and sadly peoples lifes.
If china really has 20 new cases then let's do whatever they're doing please.

[dirty dingus]

Chairman Mao -  Has rogue Todd gone rouge?

[D.A.F.C]

Is Trump not planning to unleash some sort of vaccine in a couple of weeks to try buy the election? If it fails he'll just blame those who didn't pray hard enough.

A super dooper vaccine. The greatest in the history of the world. Nobody has seen anything like it before.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

1 minute ago, dirty dingus said:

Chairman Mao -  Has rogue Todd gone rouge?

Must be his Turkey account.

[Distant Doonhamer]

22 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Average weekly all cause mortality, deaths per million first 6 months of 2020, source ONS

Grateful if you could provide a link to that. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

29 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Average weekly all cause mortality, deaths per million first 6 months of 2020, source ONS

We're on the march with Stevie's army...

[GordonS]

33 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Wouldn’t it be better if Sturgeon followed the Swedes rather than always trying to be more English than the English with draconian restrictions? 

Please tell me you're joking.

Right-wing nutjobs are all over social media talking about Sweden like they haven't failed spectacularly and needlessly killed thousands of their citizens in the process. Let's compare them to some comparable countries, eh?

 

[welshbairn]

2 hours ago, virginton said:

That's not quite true as @welshbairn and a handful of other weirdos have signed a badly spelled petition insisting that teuchter-level football must get an exemption from the nationwide 'meet no more than two households, inside or out' rules for reasons. Can't wait to see the SG reversing policy under such crushing pressure!

In reality all football beneath the top flight of the SPFL should be binned for the season because it's impractical in the short run, ruinous in the long run and utterly fucking shite for both. They can and should be postponed/put in cold storage until we actually reach stage 4 and all of the restrictions on everyday life are being lifted. This attempt to produce a sham version of the real product even at Championship level is doomed to failure.

^^^apoplectic at the idea that Morton are caught between the big boys who can afford BCD football and clubs with 2 men and a dog to a couple of hundred spread over a park that could easily do it safely. The more than 2 households wasn't meant to be a per acre calculation. There's probably no chance of it happening anyway which will no doubt give you hours of chortling over your Ainsley Harriot collection.

[GordonS]

36 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Average weekly all cause mortality, deaths per million first 6 months of 2020, source ONS

I see you and raise you:

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

Whatever happened to Putin's vaccine that was ready to go?

Did he stop rolling it out after trialing it on the leader of the Russian opposition?

[GordonS]

1 minute ago, Chairman Mao said:

All cause mortality and excess deaths trump deaths “with” covid on the death certificate 

If you had either the tiniest understanding of the issues, or a reasonable amount of common sense, you'd know that's rubbish and why.

Sweden has a much better healthcare system and a much, much healthier population than Scotland. Even in normal times our mortality rate is over 1,100 per 100,000; Sweden's us about 900. The additional mortality caused by things like disruption to care are more likely to have happened here than in Sweden. This is all obvious stuff.

Also, 6 months is too broad. Scotland has a pretty awful mortality rate in January every year, with the second week being pretty wild compared to the rest of the year. Does Sweden?

There are so many variables in excess mortality that comparing two countries on it obviously captures a lot more than just the coronavirus deaths.

[GordonS]

2 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

After a light flu year in 2019, mortality in Sweden in 2020 is no different from recent years 

So mortality has shot up compared with last year?

Doesn't that tell you something about the hazards of using this data?

I need to ask, do you have any qualification or background in epidemiology or statistics?

[GordonS]

1 minute ago, Chairman Mao said:

@GordonS

Again, it’s clear that Sweden haven’t suffered thousands of unnecessary deaths in 2020

Sweden has had 5,880 deaths ATTRIBUTED TO (not "with") coronavirus. 

The other three Nordic countries combined had less than 1,258.

It very much feels that you like something about what Sweden has done and you're just going to spin the numbers as best you can for support. There's no reasonable, objective way of looking at the data and drawing your inference, but I suspect that's not your intention.

I'll leave you to it, but hopefully others can see what you're trying to do.