mishtergrolsch Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 21 minutes ago, Snafu said: The young people everywhere are an investment, our investment for the future, this is something not to be f***ed with. Investment in their future means a proper education and fair and equal opportunities when they leave school, that maybe isn't the reality in every case in the real world but every young person deserves better than this. So no it would be complete and utter madness to close schools and universities putting the future of young people at risk of not fulfilling their potential. As for consequences and acting in selfish manners there has been plenty of examples through this crisis of adults behaving in a selfish manner, you only have to look back at the start of March with the panic buying parents grabbing all the toilet rolls, asprins and hand wash for themselves. I agree that young people are the future and are worth investing in but what do we do then? Keep the Schools and FE fully open and allow this virus to multiply ferociously? What rights do the teachers and support staff have in this case? Not all classes and courses can be delivered remotely so there will always be some sort of contact. Schools and FE may well be forced to close in the near future for the benefit of those who teach, support and train them to go on and be the future. In particular the older more vulnerable ones. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szamo's_Ammo Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Steven W said: I never mentioned 'parents'. You did. However, I agree we all need to do our part. I think though that the children of today have the same right to a proper education, the same way you, or I, or millions of others had. I don't think you should be under some illusion that's schools are a free for all, despite what you've read. Frequent hand sanitising, classes not allowed to mix with other classes, school bags banned, play frames taped up and declared out of order to name but a few measurements in place. Personally I feel, the kids' are pulling their weight and making sacrifices. You may think otherwise Everyone is making sacrifices. Kids being bundled into classrooms for 30 hours+ a week and risking their health and the health of others isn't their fault. It's the government who decided to do a u-turn on blended learning because the cases of Covid were very low and they thought they would magically stay that way. Clearly the measures you have mentioned haven't worked as, unsurprisingly, since the schools have returned cases of the virus have sky-rocketed in the general population. Cases did not increase significantly in the 6 weeks that hospitality, non essential shops and pubs were opened before the schools returned. Every single country that has reopened schools have seen a surge in Covid cases 2 weeks+ after the children returned. It's completely disingenuous to pretend that children being asked to do a bit of work at home and be in classrooms for half the normal time are missing out on a "proper education". It's an insult to the teachers and an insult to the kids themselves, who have a habit of being able to adapt to change fairly well. Edited October 2, 2020 by Szamo's_Ammo -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said: An unfortunate aspect of the news from the ONS that the number of new cases is declining is that the government will mistakenly believe it was down to their ludicrous and unnecessary restrictions. Post hoc ergo propter hoc If cases go up, they’ll tell us we need more restrictions. If cases go down then they’ll tell us the restrictions are working. Its almost as if the people in charge twist facts to suit a particular agenda, eh Chairman? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said: Post hoc ergo propter hoc 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 An unfortunate aspect of the news from the ONS that the number of new cases is declining is that the government will mistakenly believe it was down to their ludicrous and unnecessary restrictions. Post hoc ergo propter hoc If cases go up, they’ll tell us we need more restrictions. If cases go down then they’ll tell us the restrictions are working. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I read a while back they were extending the ONS survey as it didn't cover Scotland. Has this been done yet? It seems the information these types of surveys could provide is a big missing piece for the SG. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 After direct messaging, posting on Facebook, posting on Twitter, and 57 attempts to get through to customer service (with 59 minutes of listening to piped music), I eventually got a reply to my initial direct message to Jet2holidays - this was only after complaining on their Facebook that I had not received any information regards the status of my holiday - said reply was 2 minutes after my latest Facebook post:"Hi, thanks for getting in touch. Due to the government announcement yesterday, we have made the decision to cancel package holidays to Turkey up to and including the 17th October. Apologies if your booking has been affected by this. We will be emailing customers later today and offering the options of a full refund, a credit voucher or rebook a new holiday with an additional discount ^Louise".Refund received to PayPal 15 minutes later. It's a shame some of Jet2holidays big bosses were not as efficient as some of their staff.All it needed was a generic message on Facebook, Twitter and their website - the poor customer service guys must be tearing their hair out at the lack of communication.Easyjet have cancelled my daughter's trip to Turkey as well - some are saying that Ryanair (no surprise) are refusing to cancel flights - anyone heard anything about them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Szamo's_Ammo said: We're in the midst of a global pandemic and we all have to make sacrifices. You may lose income. You may see your children more than you would like. You may have to change your plans. Best to prepare yourself for it now imo. If people can't work, governments can't tax them, which pays for everything -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, Binos said: If people can't work, governments can't tax them, which pays for everything If people are dead, dying or in hospital with serious conditions then they cant be taxed either, in fact they cost more to look after. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szamo's_Ammo Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I threw a wish in the well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Snafu said: Correct, but there must be a balance, which puts everyone's safety a priority. Maybe it won't come to shutting places of education again. The balance is somewhere around blended learning. The problem lies in the social distancing / hygiene issue. You cant trust everyone to stick to the rules so, unfortunately, I forsee closures around the corner. Look at the Abertay/Dundee Uni digs situation. When they are all back in circulation where are they all heading? To Classes? Pubs? Cafes? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: After direct messaging, posting on Facebook, posting on Twitter, and 57 attempts to get through to customer service (with 59 minutes of listening to piped music), I eventually got a reply to my initial direct message to Jet2holidays - this was only after complaining on their Facebook that I had not received any information regards the status of my holiday - said reply was 2 minutes after my latest Facebook post: "Hi, thanks for getting in touch. Due to the government announcement yesterday, we have made the decision to cancel package holidays to Turkey up to and including the 17th October. Apologies if your booking has been affected by this. We will be emailing customers later today and offering the options of a full refund, a credit voucher or rebook a new holiday with an additional discount ^Louise". Refund received to PayPal 15 minutes later. It's a shame some of Jet2holidays big bosses were not as efficient as some of their staff. All it needed was a generic message on Facebook, Twitter and their website - the poor customer service guys must be tearing their hair out at the lack of communication. Easyjet have cancelled my daughter's trip to Turkey as well - some are saying that Ryanair (no surprise) are refusing to cancel flights - anyone heard anything about them? Back in June my Ryanair flights were cancelled and I chose to take the money instead of vouchers. Never heard anything from them then a couple of weeks ago they sent an email saying I can use my vouchers to book up new flights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 17 minutes ago, Szamo's_Ammo said: Everyone is making sacrifices. Kids being bundled into classrooms for 30 hours+ a week and risking their health and the health of others isn't their fault. It's the government who decided to do a u-turn on blended learning because the cases of Covid were very low and they thought they would magically stay that way. Clearly the measures you have mentioned haven't worked as, unsurprisingly, since the schools have returned cases of the virus have sky-rocketed in the general population. Cases did not increase significantly in the 6 weeks that hospitality, non essential shops and pubs were opened before the schools returned. Every single country that has reopened schools have seen a surge in Covid cases 2 weeks+ after the children returned. It's completely disingenuous to pretend that children being asked to do a bit of work at home and be in classrooms for half the normal time are missing out on a "proper education". It's an insult to the teachers and an insult to the kids themselves, who have a habit of being able to adapt to change fairly well. The kids aren't being 'bundled' in. As I explained they're going to school in a thought out, controlled manner. Far from 'bundled' in. However you may be right in your thinking. But you of course may also not. Ultimately we don't really know. Given that the last thing that will shut prior to Lockdown#2 would seem to be the schools, you'd have thought the first thing to have opened up after Lockdown #1 would have been the schools. However it didn't pan out that way owing to the holidays. Instead, hospitality, non essesntial shops and pubs were already open before they finally went back. There's no doubt that the recent uptick in infections has coincided more or less with the schools opening, but in fairness they opened back up at a time when the population was already getting out and about and socialising. The schools opened at a time when Rishi Sunak was paying half the bill for dinner Mon-Wed in an effort to get us out the house and spend money. I'd ague the recent uptick is more to do with the accumualtion of all the things that have opened up. Life in mid-August, when they went back, whilst not exactly 'normal' was a different beast to that in July when the pubs went back Maybe after Lockdown#2 and they open the schools up first we'll find out for sure -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 RIP The Donald. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dee Man said: RIP The Piss out of Donald. FTFY 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Steven W said: I don't think you should be under some illusion that's schools are a free for all, despite what you've read. Frequent hand sanitising, classes not allowed to mix with other classes, school bags banned, play frames taped up and declared out of order to name but a few measurements in place. I'll take "things that aren't happening for £250", Alex. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, mishtergrolsch said: FTFY Old age and obese, he's a goner IMO. Should be a laugh hearing the Covid deniers after it does him in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Gaz said: I'll take "things that aren't happening for £250", Alex. ???? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Steven W said: ???? The stuff you seem to think is happening in all schools isn't happening anywhere near as often as you might think it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 50 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said: An unfortunate aspect of the news from the ONS that the number of new cases is declining is that the government will mistakenly believe it was down to their ludicrous and unnecessary restrictions. Post hoc ergo propter hoc If cases go up, they’ll tell us we need more restrictions. If cases go down then they’ll tell us the restrictions are working. Plena stercore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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