Steven W Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Since when did "ramping up" mean doing less? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 But they were. The SG's very own document shows a total of over 1.2m doses (+5% / 60k that are estimated to be wasted) were going to be available by the end of January. I have no issue with people supporting the SG's strategy, that's their prerogative, so long as they acknowledge that the SG are actively choosing to throttle the delivery of the vaccines, and go slower than is possible. "Were going to be available "Exactly the SG were lead to believe that was the case but so far that hasn't materialised. No one seems to know exactly why and it was confirmed again yesterday there is no "stock pile" we are distributing as it comes.Areas within England have the exact same complaints, they are not getting supplies expected either. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: "Were going to be available " This document is 9 days old. 2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: Exactly the SG were lead to believe that was the case but so far that hasn't materialised. No one seems to know exactly why and it was confirmed again yesterday there is no "stock pile" we are distributing as it comes. Oh ok. They definitely wouldn't lie about that, of course. It's absolutely incredible the lengths people are willing to go to to avoid admitting that the SG have been a wee bit shite at preparing for this roll out. It's always someone else's fault. Edited January 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Aladdin said: I get why you can't just lift all restrictions after all "vulnerable" groups have been vaccination. If you are getting 1500 cases a day in lockdown, without any vaccination, and 10% (just picked this figure out my arse for comparisons sake) require hospitalisation then you aren't going to be in a better position, NHS-wise, if you remove all restrictions and let the virus spread throughout the unvaccinated "non-vulnerable" population where you could see 15000 cases a day of which 1% required hospitalisation. What surely should be getting done is modelling to determine the maximum restrictions that can be binned whilst keeping the hospitalisation rate at a level the NHS can manage. There has been no information like this made available to the public, only articles like the BBC one above. Once the pressure has been eased on the NHS I’m sure there will be a discussion around the fabled herd immunity. Based on projections on how many un-vaccinated people would be estimated to require hospitalisation there’s an economic/mental health etc. argument that you open up and let it rip. the flip side to this is that you’re knowingly condemning x number of people to death. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I was promised 500 toilet rolls by a company in China, only 100 arrived. (true story) It was all my fault obviously. Were you personally responsible for procuring toilet roll supply and grandly announced to your company's CEO and all customers that yes, all 500 toilet rolls would be received, only to backpedal furiously and blame everyone else? If so, then you were incompetent at your task and incompetence in a key public ministry merits the sack. Edited January 22, 2021 by vikingTON 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said: "Were going to be available " Exactly the SG were lead to believe that was the case but so far that hasn't materialised. No one seems to know exactly why and it was confirmed again yesterday there is no "stock pile" we are distributing as it comes. Areas within England have the exact same complaints, they are not getting supplies expected either. If the Scottish Government have made predictions based on numbers they have got wrong, heads need to roll up here. If their numbers and planning have been based on information provided by Westminster which have then subsequently been changed, then the focus shifts south of the border. Again, this is information that doesnt seem to be getting made public. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 "Have you seen the article in Today's Yorkshire Post" ffs a new low !!! -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Oh ok. They definitely wouldn't lie about that, of course. It's absolutely incredible the lengths people are willing to go to to avoid admitting that the SG have been a wee bit shite at preparing for this roll out. It's always someone else's fault.So you are right and everyone else is telling porkies. OK fair enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, virginton said: Were you personally responsible for procuring toilet roll supply and grandly announced to your company's CEO and all customers that yes, all 500 toilet rolls would be received, only to backpedal furiously and blame everyone else? If so, then you were incompetent at your task and incompetence in a key public ministry merits the sack. No, and the procurement was done by Westminster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, Left Back said: Once the pressure has been eased on the NHS I’m sure there will be a discussion around the fabled herd immunity. Based on projections on how many un-vaccinated people would be estimated to require hospitalisation there’s an economic/mental health etc. argument that you open up and let it rip. the flip side to this is that you’re knowingly condemning x number of people to death. We seem to be happy with between 5-20k flu deaths every year and nobody calls for any restrictions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 Neil O’Brien, crusader for truth, justice and the scourge of people who tweet about “face nappies”. https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/politics/article/neil-obrien-covid-conspiracy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 6 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Oh ok. They definitely wouldn't lie about that, of course. It's absolutely incredible the lengths people are willing to go to to avoid admitting that the SG have been a wee bit shite at preparing for this roll out. It's always someone else's fault. So you are right and everyone else is telling porkies. OK fair enough Bookmarked for the next time you say you don't believe something the UK Gov say. Edited January 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 If the Scottish Government have made predictions based on numbers they have got wrong, heads need to roll up here. If their numbers and planning have been based on information provided by Westminster which have then subsequently been changed, then the focus shifts south of the border. Again, this is information that doesnt seem to be getting made public.Whit. The numbers were based on the predefined percentage (8.5% rings a bell) as laid out by the UKG. All devolved administrations are totally at their mercy on this.The constant narrative that for some reason the SG have a massive stash of vaccines in a warehouse somewhere and for some as yet unannounced reason is intentionally not distributing it to somehow slow down a life saving vaccine program is moon howling nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: This document is 9 days old. Oh ok. They definitely wouldn't lie about that, of course. It's absolutely incredible the lengths people are willing to go to to avoid admitting that the SG have been a wee bit shite at preparing for this roll out. It's always someone else's fault. Yet ScotGov has the same milestones for groups 1 through 4 as UK Gov, and looks on course to hit that target for 1 and 2 so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: No, and the procurement was done by Westminster. For your bog roll? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 NS at today's briefing - She says her honest answer to the question "will large-scale events go ahead by summer?" is: No. I hope this was followed with "When?" I wasn't watching today, but surely that would be the obvious follow up question -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Left Back said: the flip side to this is that you’re knowingly condemning x number of people to death. There is an 'acceptable' level of cases and death for every disease. Covid will be no different in time. It will just be another thing that circulates and you want to avoid getting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: The constant narrative that for some reason the SG have a massive stash of vaccines in a warehouse somewhere and for some as yet unannounced reason is intentionally not distributing it to somehow slow down a life saving vaccine program is moon howling nonsense. The Welsh are deliberately throttling the roll out. Why is it so wild, just because they say they aren't, that the SG might be doing the same? Edited January 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said: Whit. The numbers were based on the predefined percentage (8.5% rings a bell) as laid out by the UKG. All devolved administrations are totally at their mercy on this. The constant narrative that for some reason the SG have a massive stash of vaccines in a warehouse somewhere and for some as yet unannounced reason is intentionally not distributing it to somehow slow down a life saving vaccine program is moon howling nonsense. Hence why I said "If their numbers and planning have been based on information provided by Westminster which have then subsequently been changed, then the focus shifts south of the border". If Westminster have altered the supply of vaccines to Scotland, I wouldnt think the SNP would be particularly quiet about that, nor would I expect them to be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, renton said: Yet ScotGov has the same milestones for groups 1 through 4 as UK Gov, and looks on course to hit that target for 1 and 2 so far. Being in line with the UK Gov is not the success you are so desperate to proclaim it is, if that means doing less than we could have done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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