super_carson Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, G51 said: It's not Leitch's decision, it's the Scottish Governments. Religion is clearly more important than non-essential businesses. Religion dictates how a lot of people live their lives. Just because those of us who aren't religious do not necessarily appreciate that doesn't make it less important. It may well be the SG decision, but he is a civil servant who has significant input into those decisions. He may well not have applied any pressure, I don't know the man so I have no idea if that would be in his character, but it's not unacceptable for people to question the fact that a (seemingly) deeply religious man in a position of influence could have swayed the decision making process. Religion is not more important that non-essential business. Certainly not at a societal or economic level. Religion does not pay wages or taxes - they do not pay the bills and they are not a factor of the economy v. public health debate we should now be having. They can afford to stay closed for slightly longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, G51 said: It's not Leitch's decision, it's the Scottish Governments. Religion is clearly more important than non-essential businesses. Religion dictates how a lot of people live their lives. Just because those of us who aren't religious do not necessarily appreciate that doesn't make it less important. Leitch advises the government. No-one is currently stopping anyone following their religion or living their lives according to their religion so why should they be given preference over say gyms which are equally as important to the people that utilise them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, ayrmad said: apparently everything he posted was pish. That was you was it no -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, G51 said: No we aren't, we're a multi-faith society with a significant number of secular people living within it. Having the right to practice your faith freely without obstruction is a significant part of the foundation of a free society. It's important that this resumes as quickly as possible. If business owners are struggling, then that's an issue with the government's financial supports. Understand what secular means. Noboody is stopping religious worship. People's jobs are far far far more important to society than opening places of worship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Good to see that excluding TOO HONEST Belgium, and excluding countries under 1 million population. Uk has now surged to be world leaders in Covid deaths per million at 1,672. In effect 1 person out of every 600 in the UK. How many P&B members are there ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, WATTOO said: This is SO 1970's package holiday !! I honestly don't know anyone who only goes "1 week / 2 weeks in the summer to Lanzarote" etc. However I do know LOTS of people who travel abroad regularly (some are every 3 or 4 weeks), short breaks to Eastern Europe, Golfing Holidays to Spain / Portugal / Turkey etc, I know lots of the older generation who go long stays for 6 - 8 weeks in the winter to the Algarve / Canaries / Costa Del Sol / Malta / Cyprus etc, so i think you'll see that it runs just a tad deeper that "a week in Benidorm". Well aye, of course it does. The point still stands though, if it's a binary choice between getting back to almost normal within the UK and no foreign holidays or foreign holidays but things still severely restricted here, anyone who'd choose the restrictions and holidays are either mental or extraordinarily selfish. If you're retired and can afford trips all over the place, that'd be great. It's a bit "well f**k everyone else" though, isn't it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, superbigal said: Good to see that excluding TOO HONEST Belgium, and excluding countries under 1 million population. Uk has now surged to be world leaders in Covid deaths per 100 million at 1,672. In effect 1 person out of every 600 in the UK. How many P&B members are there ? Per 100 thousand surely?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I will be starting Boozeism if anyone would like to join me in the worship of the public house. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Gordon EF said: Well aye, of course it does. The point still stands though, if it's a binary choice between getting back to almost normal within the UK and no foreign holidays or foreign holidays but things still severely restricted here, anyone who'd choose the restrictions and holidays are either mental or extraordinarily selfish. If you're retired and can afford trips all over the place, that'd be great. It's a bit "well f**k everyone else" though, isn't it? I mean, it appears just now that we aren't even being given that binary choice... No holidays and severe restrictions seems to be the party line at this particular time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, superbigal said: Good to see that excluding TOO HONEST Belgium, and excluding countries under 1 million population. Uk has now surged to be world leaders in Covid deaths per 100 million at 1,672. In effect 1 person out of every 600 in the UK. How many P&B members are there ? 599 once PerthshireBell's aliases are excluded. We should be fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: That was you was it no No but he appears to have got more correct than the welter brains on here that rubbished everything he posted, he'll certainly not be surprised that we'll be living with restrictions of some sort for the next year or so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, djchapsticks said: I mean, it appears just now that we aren't even being given that binary choice... No holidays and severe restrictions seems to be the party line at this particular time. I know but just talking about that hypothetical choice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, WATTOO said: This is SO 1970's package holiday !! I honestly don't know anyone who only goes "1 week / 2 weeks in the summer to Lanzarote" etc. However I do know LOTS of people who travel abroad regularly (some are every 3 or 4 weeks), short breaks to Eastern Europe, Golfing Holidays to Spain / Portugal / Turkey etc, I know lots of the older generation who go long stays for 6 - 8 weeks in the winter to the Algarve / Canaries / Costa Del Sol / Malta / Cyprus etc, so i think you'll see that it runs just a tad deeper that "a week in Benidorm". So does the fact that some people can afford multiple holidays a year (probably less than 10% of the general population) mean they should be able to go where and when they want? Some retirees who want to spend the winter in the sun for months on end probably have a very comfortable life at home anyway through lockdown so cry me a river. The general point still stands. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, G51 said: Having the right to practice your faith freely without obstruction is a significant part of the foundation of a free society. It's important that this resumes as quickly as possible. If business owners are struggling, then that's an issue with the government's financial supports. No one is stopping anyone practicing faith freely, there has been no ban on religion or religious festivals either. In fact, many religions have adapted well, providing online services and hopefully, when the weather improves, outdoor services. You mentioned a free society. Is it right, fair, or free, that business are forced into closures as a result of government legislation? We aren't living in a free society right now, and places of worship need to wait their turn. They won't help the economy bounce back which is, at this moment in time, far more important than communal prayers or services. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Burnieman said: Understand what secular means. Noboody is stopping religious worship. People's jobs are far far far more important to society than opening places of worship. Definition of secular: not connected with religious or spiritual matters. So it stands - Scotland is a country with many faiths and a significant number of secular people. These restrictions are stopping religious worship - that is the point of them. Yes you can pray in your house in some religions, you can't for others. So these restrictions are having a significant, discriminatory impact on people of certain faiths. This must be rectified as quickly as possible. This effectively comes down to what kind of society we want to be. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, G51 said: This effectively comes down to what kind of society we want to be. Time to close down Rangers FC for good and ban all orange walks imo. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Definition of secular: not connected with religious or spiritual matters. So it stands - Scotland is a country with many faiths and a significant number of secular people. These restrictions are stopping religious worship - that is the point of them. Yes you can pray in your house in some religions, you can't for others. So these restrictions are having a significant, discriminatory impact on people of certain faiths. This must be rectified as quickly as possible. This effectively comes down to what kind of society we want to be.Secular means religion plays no part in Govt. The State is seperate from the Church.So as a secular society, religion should not influence Govt decision making or hold any form of priority in such circumstances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.V.T. Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 57,000 jags - some going considering the weather 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 million is gonnae get passed tomorrow.That is an amazing achievement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Does this mean that even with the vaccine rollout complete and nobody going into hospital, that if case rates exceed 100 per 100,000 in future that the state can intervene to shut society down by diktat? It needs clarified, otherwise when does that madness ever stop?The "state" can intervene at 1 per 100k if they so choose if approved via parliament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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