super_carson Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Given the nick of this thread today, there's going to be some amount of square-goes once social distancing is out the window. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Isn't the booster only for the AZ/Oxford vaccine to tackle the South African variant, given the well-publicised problems with efficiacy? The merit of this when the SA variant is present but doesn't seem to have taken hold in the UK (or indeed in Europe) is of course debatable. I can foresee in future boosters being given for travel if there's a particular variant on the go in the destination country, probably at insistence of the country concerned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 13 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I'm assuming you read all my post, so i'm confused with this reply. I did but annual flu jabs are for everyone not just the most vulnerable so why would C19 be any different. I guess it depends on your definition of everyone. The vulnerable and those with significant comorbidities plus many front line health workers get a free jab. Others can choose to purchase the flu jab. When I worked I got a free flu jab, I pay for one now. I'm not sure this meets the definition of "everyone". Edited February 10, 2021 by Distant Doonhamer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 If I was Sturgeon the last thing I'd do is give out too many dates or criteria for opening things up and to what extent, that's a no win game in Scottish politics for the SNP. FWIW, I'm pretty confident I'll be eating and drinking out before August is finished, if it happens earlier I'll be delighted and if it happens later then I'll worry about it then, not convinced that the order of opening up will be the same as the last time. You can see furlough continuing until August? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 8 minutes ago, Left Back said: Not in the slightest as there would be no way to justify it. So you have simply backed up the original point you argued against. You want a detailed timeline that suits you basically. Talk of true leadership was just wasted breath. I said nothing of the sort. I believe there should be a routemap based on objective criteria, not dates. Saying if x happens then y can happen would show leadership. The current shrugging of shoulders by government(s) is not what they were elected to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, 10menwent2mow said: 33 minutes ago, ayrmad said: If I was Sturgeon the last thing I'd do is give out too many dates or criteria for opening things up and to what extent, that's a no win game in Scottish politics for the SNP. FWIW, I'm pretty confident I'll be eating and drinking out before August is finished, if it happens earlier I'll be delighted and if it happens later then I'll worry about it then, not convinced that the order of opening up will be the same as the last time. You can see furlough continuing until August? I don't know when furlough will end that's just my personal outside date for those things happening, no point in me setting a target that will not or is unlikely to materialise, I prefer Conservative targets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, super_carson said: Given the nick of this thread today, there's going to be some amount of square-goes once social distancing is out the window. Start taking booking slots for Ruel Street. Vaccinated Maws to be brought. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Left Back said: I said nothing of the sort. I believe there should be a routemap based on objective criteria, not dates. Saying if x happens then y can happen would show leadership. The current shrugging of shoulders by government(s) is not what they were elected to do. We'll I'm not convinced that the previous cutoffs for the different levels will be the same this time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 It is, I stated this on this thread a few days ago.Not long to wait then for the public verdict. I also don't buy this "the cult" stuff. A mere 20 years ago Labour could have put up a 200yo skeletal corpse in places like North and East Ayrshire and as long as it was wearing a red rosette it would have been elected. In my younger days I did polling clerk work at elections, people used to come in and actually ask us "which ones the labour box". It's nonsense to think the SNP just have to turn up to be re-elected. It's an insult to public intelligence. If enough people are unhappy at their handling of it they will lose, it will (or should be) the main angle of attack for the opposition parties and if they can't win in that scenario I doubt they will ever get a better chance. To say there is no accountability of politicians is simply untrue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I guess it depends on your definition of everyone. The vulnerable and those with significant comorbidities plus many front line health workers get a free jab. Others can choose to purchase the flu jab. When I worked I got a free flu jab, I pay for one now. I'm not sure this meets the definition of "everyone". I meant everyone who gets it so yes your right. If you get a flu jab you get it annually. I suspect C19 could well end up the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 There’s been a lot of highlights on this thread the past year, but I think @D.A.F.C. having a go at others for constant whining tops the lot. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 I said nothing of the sort. I believe there should be a routemap based on objective criteria, not dates. Saying if x happens then y can happen would show leadership. The current shrugging of shoulders by government(s) is not what they were elected to do.We have had that though just yesterday. If we keep foreign travel closed we can open up domestically was the very chat last night and that went down like a lead balloon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said: 10 minutes ago, Left Back said: It is, I stated this on this thread a few days ago. Not long to wait then for the public verdict. I also don't buy this "the cult" stuff. A mere 20 years ago Labour could have put up a 200yo skeletal corpse in places like North and East Ayrshire and as long as it was wearing a red rosette it would have been elected. In my younger days I did polling clerk work at elections, people used to come in and actually ask us "which ones the labour box". It's nonsense to think the SNP just have to turn up to be re-elected. It's an insult to public intelligence. If enough people are unhappy at their handling of it they will lose, it will (or should be) the main angle of attack for the opposition parties and if they can't win in that scenario I doubt they will ever get a better chance. To say there is no accountability of politicians is simply untrue. Absolute rot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 11 minutes ago, Distant Doonhamer said: I guess it depends on your definition of everyone. The vulnerable and those with significant comorbidities plus many front line health workers get a free jab. Others can choose to purchase the flu jab. When I worked I got a free flu jab, I pay for one now. I'm not sure this meets the definition of "everyone". I meant everyone who gets it so yes your right. If you get a flu jab you get it annually. I suspect C19 could well end up the same. Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Absolute rot.What is. You just need to read on here the number of previous SNP voters who are publicly stating they will not vote for them if they haven't announced a sensible reopening plan. Why would that not be repeated countrywide ?It's not exactly Putin's Russia we live in ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 People talk in this thread in absolute certainties as if they know everything. The vast majority of us know next to nothing, mostly having picked up a bit here and there from the same twitter / newspaper accounts and we've decided we like the cut of one jib or another. A few months ago noone was talking about mutations. Then the SA and Kent mutations appeared, and it was very much pss viruses mutate all the time, more phear mongering - yet here we are, policy is now (rightly) being considered based on these mutations. It wasn't fear mongering it was an advance in the situation and we all had to get up to speed on that knowledge, based on whoever we've decided is the god of virology's opinion. Were lapping up the Israeli vaccine results, who are using atm 100% Pfizer and expecting that things here will go exactly the same as we use a hybrid of vaccines with different jagging scales. Things change - stuff, both good and bad, bites you in the arse and new paths have to be taken based on that. We've had more u-turns than a night looking for ching in East Kilbride, yet we are still demanding extremely specific road maps using extremely specific numbers that may or may not still mean anything by the time we get to that point. It's a fluid situation and lives have been lost by making plans too far in the future and having to stick by them. I agree it's fucking murder and there are a few unanswereds that will require some answers soon,and I'm sure there will be answers. Others aren't so sure and are seething about that. Fair enough. Doesn't mean we need to wire into each other with all the c***s of the day because we disagree on what might happen in a month or so. We all want the same things 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ayrmad said: I don't know when furlough will end that's just my personal outside date for those things happening, no point in me setting a target that will not or is unlikely to materialise, I prefer Conservative targets. Authoritarian pish. I'm on board with the Jan-March lockdown but there needs to be a 'haud the bus moment. A line in the sand, and I and others don't feel comfortable with the noise emanating from our governments (plural). The vaccine programme is working excellently in all nations of the UK - let's roll it out asap - and get swiftly back to normal. From a personal point of view - because it counters other views it's been by far the easiest of my life. I've been walking loads, golfing loads and getting paid £7..5 per month for doing nothing. I live in a rural location so it's been great for me but the bigger picture isn't me and we need to return to normal as soon as the vast majority of at risk are jabbed. Edited February 10, 2021 by Erih Shtrep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Erih Shtrep said: Authoritarian pish. I'm on board with the Jan-March lockdown but there needs to be a 'haud the bus moment. A line in the sand, and I and others don't feel comfortable with the noise emanating from our governments (plural). The vaccine programme is working excellently in all nations of the UK - let's roll it out asap - and get swiftly back to normal. From a personal point of view - because it counters other views it's been by far the easiest of my life. I've been walking loads, golfing loads and getting paid £2.5 per month for doing nothing. I live in a rural location so it's been great for me but the bigger picture isn't me and we need to return to normal as soon as the vast majority of at risk are jabbed. That'll be March fucked then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: What is. You just need to read on here the number of previous SNP voters who are publicly stating they will not vote for them if they haven't announced a sensible reopening plan. Why would that not be repeated countrywide ? It's not exactly Putin's Russia we live in ! That figure will equal about 10 on here. There's the tens of thousands TV viewers who trust Nicola's orator skill and through time the SG's vaccination priorities will of course be a vote winner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Erih Shtrep said: That figure will equal about 10 on here. There's the tens of thousands TV viewers who trust Nicola's orator skill and through time the SG's vaccination priorities will of course be a vote winner. That's democracy,I'm glad we're not electing a government on the opinion of 10 P&Bers. Edited February 10, 2021 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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