Hedgecutter Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Elderly friend of the family in Moray at a complete loss as to how she, her daughter and her two sons have managed to catch Covid, with nobody else they know showing any symptoms. Must have all caught it at the shop as they have kept to social distancing, supposedly. I for one am somewhat skeptical of these claims. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I always thought the same until... My kid was sat beside me at the table the other day and said, absolutely out of nowhere having never mentioned anything like it before or having ever - as far as I’m aware - having heard anything like it from me or my wife, that he’d like to buy a pottery wheel and some clay and make something. Wife picked up her phone five minutes later - guess what she got ads for on Facebook? Creepy as f**k.Had he been watching ghostbusters ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 minute ago, madwullie said: I agree there's a seasonal aspect to it but it's far more complicated than that. Too many places where it peaked in spring, autumn or even summer. Defo true about Spain. They've far fewer restrictions than us and cases are dropping like a stone. I'm coming to believe there's little point comparing restrictions across countries as there seems to be far more factors at play than the standard lockdown stuff I think first waves will be unusual everywhere because of the lack of immunity in the population but the second waves in Europe and the US are acting as you would expect a seasonal virus to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, madwullie said: I agree there's a seasonal aspect to it but it's far more complicated than that. Too many places where it peaked in spring, autumn or even summer. Defo true about Spain. They've far fewer restrictions than us and cases are dropping like a stone. I'm coming to believe there's little point comparing restrictions across countries as there seems to be far more factors at play than the standard lockdown stuff Or lockdowns just don't really work. If they weren't so devastating, it would be utterly hilarious to see Governments repeatedly using them to "control" the virus, without ever seemingly asking themselves just how effective they really are. They weren't, remember, part of any previous pandemic strategy, and are only being done because China did it. Edited February 20, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 23 hours ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: I'm not trying to play the martyr, but it really is impacting my life, and best guess is another couple of months like this. I get the feeling the Main Players on here have either avoided the lurgy, or have been fortunate enough,being young and fit, to have had a mild dose. I'm fifty seven, with a few recent health issues. You'll forgive me if I don't fall into the "it's just like flu" camp. Anyhow, I should be getting those high grade drugs into my arm next week - unexpected upside of my stroke a couple of years ago! I can't understand why you haven't got it before now - I know you posted about you asking your doctor and him saying your conditions didn't justify it (you would have thought because you had more than one condition that would justify it) - but at least it looks like you are now being sorted. I know I'm a wee bit older than you are but I wouldn't have thought my conditions would have got me my jag before you got yours. Maybe the age of the person is more relevant? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 23 hours ago, 101 said: this is quite a good video of what to expect, probably would have been more use earlier but still. Total waste of money producing that, imo. It's only an injection, wearing masks and social distancing has been recommended/in force for months, what were people expecting - to be herded together like a cattle market and some flunkey lassoing the patients and dragging them out to be jagged? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Or lockdowns just don't really work. If they weren't so devastating, it would be utterly hilarious to see Governments repeatedly using them to "control" the virus, without ever seemingly asking themselves just how effective they really are.Florida with 21 million people recorded 6000 cases yesterday with zero restrictions Meanwhile the ukinlockdown got 12k with over 3 times the population So yeah they are higher than us per head but not 4 times higher or any of that nonsense 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 21 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: You need some tartan gonks to go with that. Is that the Adultery Tartan? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: Florida with 21 million people recorded 6000 cases yesterday with zero restrictions Meanwhile the ukinlockdown got 12k with over 3 times the population So yeah they are higher than us per head but not 4 times higher or any of that nonsense Aye but we’ve got to watch out for the Epcot variant. You know just incase and that. Cant have Devi not getting all the media interest. How the f**k can they not see the damage they are doing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Maturin Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Aye but we’ve got to watch out for the Epcot variant. You know just incase and that. Cant have Devi not getting all the media interest. How the f**k can they not see the damage they are doing? Extreme hubris that is why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Total waste of money producing that, imo. It's only an injection, wearing masks and social distancing has been recommended/in force for months, what were people expecting - to be herded together like a cattle market and some flunkey lassoing the patients and dragging them out to be jagged? For some people knowing exactly what is going to happen is the only way the can cope that could be down to any number of issues. Like you say folk might think it's walk in injection and leave, good to know there is an indoor waiting room followed by someone taking your details and then you can sit in the queue for an injection followed by a seat in a waiting area for a few minutes. I doubt it cost a fortune to produce but it even if it means one less district nurse has to deliver the vaccine at home it's money well spent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Aye but we’ve got to watch out for the Epcot variant. You know just incase and that. Cant have Devi not getting all the media interest. How the f**k can they not see the damage they are doing? They must be able to. But they are so deep in the hole that the option to say "we're not going to do that again because they don't actually do much" isn't there - the damage they have already done, at enormous cost, has made sure of that. Tynierose is right as well, though, they genuinely think they are in control of the virus. Edited February 20, 2021 by Todd_is_God 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Maturin Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, 101 said: For some people knowing exactly what is going to happen is the only way the can cope that could be down to any number of issues. Like you say folk might think it's walk in injection and leave, good to know there is an indoor waiting room followed by someone taking your details and then you can sit in the queue for an injection followed by a seat in a waiting area for a few minutes. I doubt it cost a fortune to produce but it even if it means one less district nurse has to deliver the vaccine at home it's money well spent. How much was your cut for producing it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 minute ago, 101 said: For some people knowing exactly what is going to happen is the only way the can cope that could be down to any number of issues. Like you say folk might think it's walk in injection and leave, good to know there is an indoor waiting room followed by someone taking your details and then you can sit in the queue for an injection followed by a seat in a waiting area for a few minutes. I doubt it cost a fortune to produce but it even if it means one less district nurse has to deliver the vaccine at home it's money well spent. You're told to wait 15 minutes after your jag whenever you clock in. It's also on your appointment letter/will be mentioned in your appointment phone call. When my wife got hers we f***** off to the dump to get rid of rubbish, and then waited the other 10 minutes in the laybye outside, if needs be we would have been back at the surgery in 2 minutes. When myself and our daughter got ours we waited in the car in the practice car park. People are totally wrapped in cotton wool nowadays and need to be led by the hand like toddlers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, madwullie said: It's definitely pretty apparent that his reputation is being laundered for whatever reason. I'm not particularly taken with the wise old head type shit that's being massaged into us. The guy is and always will be fucking scum Who are we talking about here - Gates or Blair? Edited February 20, 2021 by Jacksgranda Sleppnig 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 It's seasonal. You can see it's going down in places with very few restrictions such as Florida and Sweden. Cases are dropping in Madrid despite schools and universities being open all through winter and bars being allowed to use inside spaces.Seasonal....dropping in Sweden....in MID February ! There is seasonality to it but the likes of the UK and Sweden are still firmly in Winter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 So there appears to be another Bojo U turn with all news channels now reporting his roadmap WILL now have indicative dates rather than data lead relaxation as he has persistently told us. That said two households only being able to meet outdoors by Easter is grim. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 15 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: You'd be wrong. It's fear porn regarding the need for tighter measures to curb the spread of the "new variants" despite them being present for months, and cases falling anyway. https://globalnews.ca/news/7650135/covid-canada-modelling-variants-2021/ As for the bit in bold, there are no words for this level of 'expert' apologism. You've pretty much backed me up here. The report shows what would happen if a more transmissive new variant took hold - one expert is scaremongering about it on that basis, but the article says that various provinces are still planning to open up. “This is a potential scenario we absolutely have to be aware of.” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he was confident in the decisions made by provinces. In a recent call with premiers, Trudeau said they discussed ways to catch outbreaks quickly and re-introduce restriction measures if necessary.[\quote] Governments have to make informed decisions and have to do contingency planning, and that means being aware of all possible eventualities and knowing how to respond to them. The problem is that folk who don't understand this notion (and that very often includes people actually making the decisions) get worked up about worst case scenarios and start panicking. People are absolutely terrible at understanding probability, risk or even conditional statements. You can even look back at folk shrieking about Neil Ferguson and Imperial's 500,000 deaths forecast this time last year - this was on the basis of "here's what we think will happen if we do absolutely nothing", yet that part gets forgotten about and you get folk saying the predictions were wildly wrong and so on. That's not a judgement on whether their models actual were any good, but people deliberately or mistakenly misinterpreting them does nobody any favours. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 18 hours ago, D.A.F.C said: Folk need to calm down on this thread and stop having a go at each other. Ach it livens things up a bit and is mildly entertaining in the absence of a Clyde meltdown thread... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 53 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Or lockdowns just don't really work. If they weren't so devastating, it would be utterly hilarious to see Governments repeatedly using them to "control" the virus, without ever seemingly asking themselves just how effective they really are. They weren't, remember, part of any previous pandemic strategy, and are only being done because China did it. This sounds extremely fat emperor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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