MP_MFC Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517 There it is. 79 cases and 19 deaths in the UK. More than was originally publicised - fuel to the fire of anti-vaxxers, that. This is going to prompt a wave of vaccine hesitancy, unfortunately. Antivax people would use whatever way they found it today to fuel their fire.The Majority of sane people would, I assume, take comfort in them looking further into all the data and acting extremely cautiously, considering how insanely small this risk is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Sannox Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pato said: Mind when all the blue ticks were taking the piss out of those continentals for not giving the AZ jab to young folk, some laugh eh They were using concerns to mask the absolute pig’s ear that they had made of procurement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 That odd noise is the temporary combined sound of AZ's stock price dropping and thousands of cigars being put out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, MP_MFC said: The EU have further fucked it then. Basically the MHRA is saying no under 30s out of caution but it won't really impact us due to how good the rollout has been with it so far. The EMA won't specifically ban it because they know they need it to catch up but they've absolutely humped it with the EU public from day one. They've asked that blood clots be added to the list of possible side effects with a 0.0006% occurrence. I don't know about anyone else, but I like those odds and am comfortable with them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 So "serious harm" in u30s outweighs chance of admission to ICU according to V Tams slide at low prevelance. Not sure that's helpful ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, Billy Jean King said: So "serious harm" in u30s outweighs chance of admission to ICU according to V Tams slide at low prevelance. Not sure that's helpful ! If that’s correct, that u30s are genuinely at more risk from the vaccine giving them a life threatening blood clot (0.00000039% based on the figures given) than from being admitted to ICU through Covid, then you’re essentially admitting that Covid is less of a percentage risk to u30s than 0.00000039%. I don’t believe that’s true, but if it is true, it’s essentially saying Covid is finished and u30s should be living life entirely as normal from tomorrow. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 While this is a bit of a bugger I can't see it being too much of an issue. The under 30s aren't going to be the ones taking up hospital beds.As a healthy 29 year old I'd be happy to take the AZ vaccine but if that's no longer an option then so be it. With Moderna on the way this hopefully shouldn't slow things too much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: So "serious harm" in u30s outweighs chance of admission to ICU according to V Tams slide at low prevelance. Not sure that's helpful ! It's also simultaneously highlighting that covid is not a danger to under 30s. That should get the pearl clutches going what they do best when that message sinks and the restrictions are totally ignored. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: So "serious harm" in u30s outweighs chance of admission to ICU according to V Tams slide at low prevelance. Not sure that's helpful ! Good to see a proper analysis of the relative risk. Shows how unlikely a healthy 30 year old is to get seriously ill with this virus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 I’ve already had my first dose and unfortunately I’m not under 30 but if I was I would still take it if offered. 4 in a million chance of this side effect. Higher side effect risks in some over the counter medicines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, Rugster said: By the way how often are the uk government late for their own briefings!? It's classic trump tactics and a big show of power. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: If that’s correct, that u30s are genuinely at more risk from the vaccine giving them a life threatening blood clot (0.00000039% based on the figures given) than from being admitted to ICU through Covid, then you’re essentially admitting that Covid is less of a percentage risk to u30s than 0.00000039%. I don’t believe that’s true, but if it is true, it’s essentially saying Covid is finished and u30s should be living life entirely as normal from tomorrow. Unless they are really fat 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: If that’s correct, that u30s are genuinely at more risk from the vaccine giving them a life threatening blood clot (0.00000039% based on the figures given) than from being admitted to ICU through Covid, then you’re essentially admitting that Covid is less of a percentage risk to u30s than 0.00000039%. I was heavily red dotted for saying exactly this last week. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: So "serious harm" in u30s outweighs chance of admission to ICU according to V Tams slide at low prevelance. Not sure that's helpful ! I've found Van Tam to be a complete tit throughout this tbh. He's said just as many unhelpful things as Leitch and Witty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 If that’s correct, that u30s are genuinely at more risk from the vaccine giving them a life threatening blood clot (0.00000039% based on the figures given) than from being admitted to ICU through Covid, then you’re essentially admitting that Covid is less of a percentage risk to u30s than 0.00000039%. I don’t believe that’s true, but if it is true, it’s essentially saying Covid is finished and u30s should be living life entirely as normal from tomorrow.He demonstrated a slide with "risk" at low, medium and high prevelance. Low I think he said was 30 per 100k and that slide had "risk" at 1.1 to an 0.8 chance of ending up in ICU. That risk skewed back positively at medium and high prevelance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 TBH what Van Tam is saying now is what I was thinking. In medicine, there are regular changes in thinking and approach when it comes to treatment in just about everything. If anything, it actually makes me slightly more confident that the rollout of the vaccines is working properly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Michael W said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517 There it is. 79 cases and 19 deaths in the UK. More than was originally publicised - fuel to the fire of anti-vaxxers, that. At least there's the J&J vaccine on the horizon. Saying that, I'm 31 - do I honestly believe the vaccine is fine for me, but would've been too risky if I were a couple of years younger? Absolutely not. This is going to prompt a wave of vaccine hesitancy, unfortunately. And not one family has managed to get on TV or in a paper to tell their story. Reporting restrictions confirmed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rugster said: Higher side effect risks in some over the counter medicines. Of dying of brain thrombosis? Which medicine? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Van Tam finally getting the key point over. Not just about the individual. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Sannox Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Fergus Walsh of the BBC obviously didn’t look at JVT’s slides.......arsehole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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