Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Billy Jean King]

Are you on planet Earth? “Pretty grim reading” that there are a grand total of 34 (THIRTY FOUR) cases in the entire state?

Whit ! I meant grim for anyone hoping to get to see family anytime soon. They are stuck in a cycle of licking down at the drop of a hat with no real sign of a vaccination policy to get them out that just a pull up the drawbridges system so yes it's grim reading for anyone with family in Australia hoping to get home or us getting out there.

You seem to be back to reading stuff into every post I make that simply isn't there. Not sure why or what angle you are actually looking for but for anyone with family in Australia any talk of lockdowns at the first sign of cases is not good news.

[GiGi]

1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said:

20 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

Are you on planet Earth? “Pretty grim reading” that there are a grand total of 34 (THIRTY FOUR) cases in the entire state?

 They are stuck in a cycle of licking down at the drop of a hat 

It's been a long year mate. 

[Michael W]

12 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Exactly this. Think, say, two years ahead. Countries in Europe and the US have had a mix of covid infecting plenty of people and a successful vaccine programme. The virus will be well in hand at that stage. In Australia, with almost no natural immunity and vaccine hesitancy, how will/can they reopen? Will they accept cases and deaths as a result?

I don't see how they can realistically change track now - the vaccines are their exit as they are for most, but the other measures can't be relaxed. They're used to low case rates and running even a modest rate of 300/400 per day would probably lead to a lot of anger. 

I don't think they'll accept it. The Government would be crucified. 

 

[anotherchance]

6 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Whit ! I meant grim for anyone hoping to get to see family anytime soon. They are stuck in a cycle of licking down at the drop of a hat with no real sign of a vaccination policy to get them out that just a pull up the drawbridges system so yes it's grim reading for anyone with family in Australia hoping to get home or us getting out there.
 

Of course, this is all true.

Politically though, they've been constantly flagged up as doing things the "right" way and an example of what can happen if we follow the likes of Devi's advice. As things have turned out, they have very little natural immunity through previous infection which means their already slow vaccine rollout becomes even more important than it is here.

People have shot their load far too early when discussing how amazing Australia have dealt with all this.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

9 minutes ago, anotherchance said:

Of course, this is all true.

Politically though, they've been constantly flagged up as doing things the "right" way and an example of what can happen if we follow the likes of Devi's advice. As things have turned out, they have very little natural immunity through previous infection which means their already slow vaccine rollout becomes even more important than it is here.

People have shot their load far too early when discussing how amazing Australia have dealt with all this.

people i know i AUS/NZ  are absolutely terrified of the virus as if it meant certain death , whereas we all know about 10 folk whov had it and had nothing more than a week in their bed with some lemsip 

Edited May 27, 2021 by effeffsee_the2nd

[madwullie]

36 minutes ago, Michael W said:

This will keep happening until they get a grip with their vaccination programme. 

Hard really to criticise them too much when they've kept the death count low, but their exit strategy is essentially to hide and they are going to be left behind. Their vaccination programme is very poor for an advanced economy. 

I really don't understand the reluctance to vax up either. They must see the data from Israel and us, and realise that getting as jaggy as possible as quickly as possible is in their interests. 

[effeffsee_the2nd]

I've got a really sinking feeling that cumings' telling tales is going to have massive ramifications for all us rational minded people

A lot of stars came together to make covid the menace that it was, -china's dodgy data,  highly contagious,  Enough of a fatality rate that when combined with trasmission rates would kill a lot of people,  airborne, Asymptomatic transmission & long incubation perioid.  the kind of things that sort of made lockdown unavoidable at least in the early first wave. 

But now that all of this government incompetence has been blasted out in the open , i fear that the lovejoys of the world will start demanding lockdowns and the like every time any sort of new threat appears anywhere.  The government will not be able to give them satisfactory reassurance that lockdowns are unnecessary this time because it is now public knowledge how fucking clueless they were last year.  i worry that we're going to see far more snap cancellations, international travel restrictions ,  potential quarantine for international arrivals imposed on a whim and costly insurance to cover   you should you get caught up in such shite 

[Michael W]

18 minutes ago, madwullie said:

I really don't understand the reluctance to vax up either. They must see the data from Israel and us, and realise that getting as jaggy as possible as quickly as possible is in their interests. 

I guess other than their border policies and the odd snap lockdown, they look around and things are pretty much normal. They probably don't see it as especially urgent.That's where the government comes in and they seem to be under a fair bit of pressure too. 

I think their main vaccine is AZ/Oxford as well, so whether that's caused hesitancy too, I'm not sure. 

[Billy Jean King]

Of course, this is all true.
Politically though, they've been constantly flagged up as doing things the "right" way and an example of what can happen if we follow the likes of Devi's advice. As things have turned out, they have very little natural immunity through previous infection which means their already slow vaccine rollout becomes even more important than it is here.
People have shot their load far too early when discussing how amazing Australia have dealt with all this.

Agreed 100%

[Jamie_B]

Was there a COVID update before FMQs? Turned it on a few minutes late - just in time to see Douglas Ross acting like a cock - and heard a brief reference from Sturgeon to a small reduction in hospital/ICU numbers but nothing else.

[Left Back]

2 minutes ago, Jamie_Beatson said:

Was there a COVID update before FMQs? Turned it on a few minutes late - just in time to see Douglas Ross acting like a cock - and heard a brief reference from Sturgeon to a small reduction in hospital/ICU numbers but nothing else.

No update.  Straight into questions

[effeffsee_the2nd]

19 minutes ago, Left Back said:

No update.  Straight into questions

464

1.8%

Hospitals & ICU down but no figures

Presume no deaths otherwise would have been mentioned

 

[H Wragg]

Was there a COVID update before FMQs? Turned it on a few minutes late - just in time to see Douglas Ross acting like a cock - and heard a brief reference from Sturgeon to a small reduction in hospital/ICU numbers but nothing else.

Whilst making that reference she also confirmed 464 cases yesterday (1.8%).

Edit - Beaten to it!

[ICTChris]

 

[Paco]

 

There was no Scottish Government advisory group until April 2020, when the damage was done in the first wave. I’ve not seen Sridhar’s specific comments but I presume with the Cummings event they were probably tied to early 2020.

In fairness to Sridhar, and it won’t be popular here, she called most of the pandemic bang on until the vaccines arrived, which is why she gained such prominence early on.

[Wee Bully]

50 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

 

What’s interesting in that is that the Scottish Covid outcomes are significantly different to the wider UK, particularly in death rates, so I’m not sure what point he is trying to make

[effeffsee_the2nd]

1 minute ago, Wee Bully said:

What’s interesting in that is that the Scottish Covid outcomes are significantly different to the wider UK, particularly in death rates, so I’m not sure what point he is trying to make

is it? i think once you take population size into account we don't look too good either?

We're also not the thinnest or healthiest bunch around either 

[s_dog]

2 hours ago, anotherchance said:

Of course, this is all true.

Politically though, they've been constantly flagged up as doing things the "right" way and an example of what can happen if we follow the likes of Devi's advice. As things have turned out, they have very little natural immunity through previous infection which means their already slow vaccine rollout becomes even more important than it is here.

People have shot their load far too early when discussing how amazing Australia have dealt with all this.

There is still an argument that it was the "right" way because they've been living a far more normal life than most of us for some time. It's the way out of the very tight borders they have as a consequence that is the problem for them. Vaccines are clearly giving everyone a possible exit, and while Australia don't have the same pressing need as some countries to vaccinate quickly, how can they not see them as the main solution?

[H Wragg]

Another bad day at the office for Hancock.

[s_dog]

4 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

is it? i think once you take population size into account we don't look too good either?

We're also not the thinnest or healthiest bunch around either 

Only Northern Ireland have better numbers for deaths per 100k population in the UK. I'm also not completely sure of any numbers to show it, but although to start with our numbers were terrible, since after the first lockdown, deaths have been far fewer, including in care homes.