Monkey Tennis Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 3 hours ago, TeeMan said: That proposal is horrendous. Personally I think the league setup we have at the moment is about as good as it gets, there are meaningful games for most teams right to the end of the season. There is no point in breaking that just to save Hearts. Absolutely this. As other have pointed out, this really is quite simply about saving Hearts, and to a lesser extent, Thistle. Substitute them with smaller clubs, and such proposals wouldn't exist. The terrible unfairness of deciding things on current league position, would somehow suddenly become acceptable presumably, for sides like ICT and Falkirk? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhat Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I'm inclined to disagree, Mr Monkey. Surely no-one can relish the 4-times a season games we currently have to sit through, plus the inevitable further repeats as cup fixtures, and a 14 team league with a split will to some extent improve this. I don't really care if it's 14-14-14 or 14-14-16. And although hearts and Partick have been cr@p all season and would deserve to go down, given the totally extraordinary circumstances I don't mind if they get the benefit of staying up if we do get a more entertaining competition in the future. And who knows, maybe one or both might be amusingly relegated next season anyway? The problem underlying the reconstruction debate is that Scottish football currently hasn't the quantity or quality of players, clubs, supporters or managers needed for a thriving and vigorous league of 40 or so teams and the outcomes are evident in the dwindling league attendances and our p1ss-poor national side. How we can overcome this, I haven't a clue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socks Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 The league setup we have at the moment is absolutely fine and there is no reason whatsoever to change it. Even if there were to be a change, it should be done properly rather than rushing something through as a fudge to deal with an unusual situation. It's all about Hearts - Partick Thistle are a complete irrelevance in this. And after such a poor season, they should go down, the same as any other club. Ann Budge can bolt with all her greeting pish. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, oldhat said: I'm inclined to disagree, Mr Monkey. Surely no-one can relish the 4-times a season games we currently have to sit through, plus the inevitable further repeats as cup fixtures, and a 14 team league with a split will to some extent improve this. I don't really care if it's 14-14-14 or 14-14-16. And although hearts and Partick have been cr@p all season and would deserve to go down, given the totally extraordinary circumstances I don't mind if they get the benefit of staying up if we do get a more entertaining competition in the future. It's not so terribly long ago that we had three divisions, two of them featuring fourteen sides. I'm not sure that it carries guarantees of more exciting competition. Apparently we need a fix, but I'm not sure what's broken, apart from Hearts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC 1910 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Can we not call the bluff of this debacle and state that, with Hearts and Partick having been relegated, that they do not benefit from restructuring of the leagues? Hearts go down, Dundee Utd up and so the 2 teams below (ICT and Dundee) go up to make this ‘magical’ 14 team top league. Same applies to Partick - they go into the bottom of the pile. That’s only fair [emoji41] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 37 minutes ago, oldhat said: I'm inclined to disagree, Mr Monkey. Surely no-one can relish the 4-times a season games we currently have to sit through, plus the inevitable further repeats as cup fixtures, and a 14 team league with a split will to some extent improve this. I don't really care if it's 14-14-14 or 14-14-16. And although hearts and Partick have been cr@p all season and would deserve to go down, given the totally extraordinary circumstances I don't mind if they get the benefit of staying up if we do get a more entertaining competition in the future. And who knows, maybe one or both might be amusingly relegated next season anyway? The problem underlying the reconstruction debate is that Scottish football currently hasn't the quantity or quality of players, clubs, supporters or managers needed for a thriving and vigorous league of 40 or so teams and the outcomes are evident in the dwindling league attendances and our p1ss-poor national side. How we can overcome this, I haven't a clue. I'm not sure I'd use the word "relish" but the current set up generally provides interest for all clubs to the end of the season (unless marooned at the bottom a la Stranraer). It's pretty unusual for more than a couple of clubs in each division to have nothing to play for going into the last fortnight. The reasons why smaller divisions were adopted in the first place haven't changed. Even at 14, particularly in the top level, it's extremely likely that half the league will have pretty much nothing to play for at the business end of the season. A bigger top level will leave bottom sides weaker and further adrift whilst it's unlikely anyone will seriously challenge the OF for the top two often. There might be a close race for 3rd if it's a Euro place potentially but you likely get 6 or 7 clubs in the middle playing for nothing for half the season. There isn't really a solution which conquers divisions being small enough for everyone to be playing for something most of the season but large enough to eliminate seeing the same opponents 4 times a season without dropping the number of games played hugely (which isn't going to happen any normal season though might next season depending on when we can start). As I've said before, there wasn't any great campaign for restructure before Hearts finished 12th. I'm sympathetic to the clubs who have been relegated, it was within a fraction of a point of being us, but it's not really a reason to force through a reconstruction nobody was especially looking for and few can agree of the best way to go anyway. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 6, 2020 Author Share Posted May 6, 2020 7 hours ago, AUFC 1910 said: Can we not call the bluff of this debacle and state that, with Hearts and Partick having been relegated, that they do not benefit from restructuring of the leagues? Hearts go down, Dundee Utd up and so the 2 teams below (ICT and Dundee) go up to make this ‘magical’ 14 team top league. Same applies to Partick - they go into the bottom of the pile. That’s only fair I’d go along with that. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 38 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I’d go along with that. Defo. Dundee derby, Highland derby, and we get to laugh at Hearts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Isn’t the whole point of the reconstruction chat not to save Hearts from relegation? You won’t see Hearts and Dundee both in the Premiership next season unless it’s a 16 team league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad chad Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/06/gretna-loan-details-deepen-controversy-over-plan-to-end-scottish-football-season-spfl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Oh dear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Looks increasingly likely that the current setup will remain unchanged. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 The 14-20-10 option is perhaps the worst I've ever heard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 50 minutes ago, bad chad said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/06/gretna-loan-details-deepen-controversy-over-plan-to-end-scottish-football-season-spfl It was described as an advance in the BBC news at the time and was made after Gretna had gone into administration. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/g/gretna/7307222.stm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeredbook Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Flash said: It was described as an advance in the BBC news at the time and was made after Gretna had gone into administration. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/g/gretna/7307222.stm What a great adventure /living the dream / fantastic times / fairy tale / other shite . Total fuckin joke of a "club " . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Mills Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 1 hour ago, weeredbook said: What a great adventure /living the dream / fantastic times / fairy tale / other shite . Total fuckin joke of a "club " . The club was fine until Brooks Mileson made them his plaything 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Probably been covered but what's the script with out of contract players and the furlough scheme? I take it we're not in a position to offer a new contract. Will they be covered on a month to month basis until they are off furlough? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Probably been covered but what's the script with out of contract players and the furlough scheme? I take it we're not in a position to offer a new contract. Will they be covered on a month to month basis until they are off furlough?In terms of HMRC an employer can extend a contract or re-hire someone for the purpose of furlough, as far as I am aware.Not sure how this works for footballers though, as registrations and governing body rules may make it more complicated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, super_carson said: In terms of HMRC an employer can extend a contract or re-hire someone for the purpose of furlough, as far as I am aware. Not sure how this works for footballers though, as registrations and governing body rules may make it more complicated. Think that’s right. The difficulty with footballers is that, under the current rules, their contract has to run until the next window. So, they couldn’t be given month to month contracts. If clubs knew that football was off until January and that the furlough scheme would cover them, they could re-sign everybody until then. Otherwise, they would be taking the risk of football resuming when they have unwanted players and/or having signed players until January that they can’t afford to pay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MallanandFlanagan Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 In terms of HMRC an employer can extend a contract or re-hire someone for the purpose of furlough, as far as I am aware.Not sure how this works for footballers though, as registrations and governing body rules may make it more complicated. I heard Alan Preston talking about this on Off the ball and he said that some clubs of his clients are extending contracts until the end of June (end of the furlough scheme). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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