1st Club to go into Administration?

[kingjoey]

1 hour ago, HooseLee said:

Got me!  Brilliant 

You’re slow. Auld Aiberdeen fans are sharp as a tack.

Edited April 9, 2020 by kingjoey

[realmadrid]

2 hours ago, HooseLee said:

 Want to add a question for older posters.   When they reduced the set up in the 70's, was it down to the fact that Celtic were then dominating the league during their none in a row period and was that one of the reasons for changing things.  I think times have changed and we shouldn't be referring back to that period as a reason not to extend the league. 

 

Im not that old but I've been told it was due to crowds falling off in February , March and April for half the league when they had nothing to play for

In the days of 2 points for a win,  your team could be 15 points clear of the bottom 2 but 15 points behind the European race with 10 games to go and nothing bar bragging rights.

the big leagues work in England as in the Premiership up to 7th can qualify for Europe, in the Championship and leagues 1 up to 6th make the play offs and 7th in league 2 with the National league going down to 8th to keep fans interested. 

If there was a split after 30 games it might work for the middle teams 

[tree house tam]

8 hours ago, ahemps said:

I think it should be an even split every season. Why reward the most successful team with more money? It kills competition. The top 3-4 teams get to go to Europe so get more money through that anyway. 

It kills competition? Does it f**k. My own club have benefitted, as have plenty others with the extra income based on merit of performance throughout league season. The only way it doesn't is if the biggest teams, the ones with more attendance income, are in the top spots. They of course should be in the top spots but most of them are pish and are regularly shown up for being exactly that, pish.

[HooseLee]

2 hours ago, realmadrid said:

 

Im not that old but I've been told it was due to crowds falling off in February , March and April for half the league when they had nothing to play for

In the days of 2 points for a win,  your team could be 15 points clear of the bottom 2 but 15 points behind the European race with 10 games to go and nothing bar bragging rights.

the big leagues work in England as in the Premiership up to 7th can qualify for Europe, in the Championship and leagues 1 up to 6th make the play offs and 7th in league 2 with the National league going down to 8th to keep fans interested. 

If there was a split after 30 games it might work for the middle 

I suppose it would've been worse with three points for a win.  One thing that would make a bigger league work, would be uefa giving us an extra euro place.  Let the smaller countries league winners go straight into the champions league group stages and not let them take up a space in the Europa league when they get knocked out.  Even a play off for the extra euro spot would mean less meaningless games after the new year etc.  Not a chance of uefa taking money away from the bigger leagues and their clubs.  

[ahemps]

54 minutes ago, tree house tam said:

It kills competition? Does it f**k. My own club have benefitted, as have plenty others with the extra income based on merit of performance throughout league season. The only way it doesn't is if the biggest teams, the ones with more attendance income, are in the top spots. They of course should be in the top spots but most of them are pish and are regularly shown up for being exactly that, pish.

So an uneven distribution of money towards the most successful clubs makes for an even competition????

[charger29]

More details on the plan to distribute prize money just now without calling the season (from The Athletic):

 

"Rangers have proposed a rule change that would allow the SPFL to provide interest-free loans to clubs equal to the amount they would receive in prize money at the end of the season, The Athletic understands.

At present, the only mechanism for clubs to receive that windfall is if the league is deemed complete but Rangers believe there is no need for the prize money to be intrinsically linked to the decision on championships, promotion and relegation. Instead, their proposal is for the loan to be made available until the league is played to its completion or is deemed complete if play cannot resume. Any adjustments in payments, either paying some back or receiving more depending on where they finish, can be made after this."

 

Also says in the notes of the SPFL proposal that 6 weeks of training will be required before football can be played again. That's twice as much as the English leagues are saying.

 

https://theathletic.co.uk/1732733/2020/04/09/exclusive-rangers-spfl-prize-money-vote/

[Billy Jean King]

Six weeks training before a ball is kicked 100% kills the chance of the season being played to a finish given the suspension until June so that makes no sense.

More details on the plan to distribute prize money just now without calling the season (from The Athletic):
 
"Rangers have proposed a rule change that would allow the SPFL to provide interest-free loans to clubs equal to the amount they would receive in prize money at the end of the season, The Athletic understands.
At present, the only mechanism for clubs to receive that windfall is if the league is deemed complete but Rangers believe there is no need for the prize money to be intrinsically linked to the decision on championships, promotion and relegation. Instead, their proposal is for the loan to be made available until the league is played to its completion or is deemed complete if play cannot resume. Any adjustments in payments, either paying some back or receiving more depending on where they finish, can be made after this."
 
Also says in the notes of the SPFL proposal that 6 weeks of training will be required before football can be played again. That's twice as much as the English leagues are saying.
 
https://theathletic.co.uk/1732733/2020/04/09/exclusive-rangers-spfl-prize-money-vote/

[charger29]

10 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Six weeks training before a ball is kicked 100% kills the chance of the season being played to a finish given the suspension until June so that makes no sense.

Given it's so much longer than what  other leagues are recommending, it could just be an attempt to force teams to settle for the current proposal.

Also depends just how late you want to start the 20/21 season.

[Green Day]

12 minutes ago, charger29 said:

Given it's so much longer than what  other leagues are recommending, it could just be an attempt to force teams to settle for the current proposal.

Also depends just how late you want to start the 20/21 season.

Masterstroke from Rodders

[KnightswoodBear]

Interest free loans you say? 

 

[Romeo]

Livingston have just decapitated half the sevco support.

Great bunch of lads.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

League play-off at Hampden between Celtic and Rangers to decide champions.
Gate money and TV revenue to be split among League 1 and 2 clubs in a philanthropic gesture from Scotland's two biggest clubs to make up for their loss of revenue during the lockdown.
Seems fair ...
 

That would result in tens of thousands of old firm fans contracting Covid 19 and hundreds of them dying painfull deaths...


Choose your own punchline

[tree house tam]

2 hours ago, ahemps said:

So an uneven distribution of money towards the most successful clubs makes for an even competition????

It's a competition, reward the successful. 

[craigkillie]

It's how prize money works in every single competitive sport - it would be weird if the guy knocked out in the first round of Wimbledon got as much money as Djokovic or Federer.

[ropy]

2 hours ago, Billy Jean King said:

Six weeks training before a ball is kicked 100% kills the chance of the season being played to a finish given the suspension until June so that makes no sense.

Is it six weeks for a new pitch to grow?

[Romeo]

It's a competition, reward the successful. 

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[Guest JTS98]

9 hours ago, tree house tam said:

It's a competition, reward the successful. 

They get a reward. They win trophies and qualify for Europe.

9 hours ago, craigkillie said:

It's how prize money works in every single competitive sport - it would be weird if the guy knocked out in the first round of Wimbledon got as much money as Djokovic or Federer.

Does that money serve to perpetuate their success?

It is of precisely no relevance to compare an individual sport to a team sport where success on the pitch is clearly linked to ability to spend money on wages to get better players.

Djokovic has no way of comparatively weakening other players.

There's no justifiable reason for a team sport to have a league system that favours the richest clubs to start with, and then 'reward' them for their success by widening the resource advantage they enjoy, making them more likely to succeed next time, and so on and so on and so on.

That is simply against the basic principles of sport.

Edited April 10, 2020 by JTS98

[Romeo]

1 minute ago, JTS98 said:

They get a reward. They win trophies and qualify for Europe.

Does that money serve to perpetuate their success?

It is of precisely no relevance to compare an individual sport to a team sport where success on the pitch is clearly linked to ability to spend money on wages.

There's no justifiable reason for a team sport to have a league system that favours the richest clubs to start with, and then 'reward' them for their success by widening the resource advantage they enjoy, making them more likely to succeed next time, and so on and so on and so on.

That is simply against the basic principles of sport.

So you think anyone who competes in any sport should be given the same prize money regardless of where they finish?

If Andy Murray gets more prize money he can afford a better trainer, training facilities, physios and the like. This would give him more of an advantage as his resource advantage would have increased?

[Staggie52]

9 hours ago, craigkillie said:

It's how prize money works in every single competitive sport - it would be weird if the guy knocked out in the first round of Wimbledon got as much money as Djokovic or Federer.

Apples and pears. That guy is a professional sportsman with a finite working life. His participation is centred around making money, if he can’t succeed he gets a different job.

The theory behind competitions such as football leagues is the the award is the winning of the competition. In essence though, the reward is in progressing upwards. If you’re in the lower leagues you progress to higher leagues, higher attendances, tv rights etc and you make more money. The reward in the SPFL is Europe.

So each league makes money through various means, The league can’t make money without each member club, why not divide the money the league makes with each club. This give more clubs a slightly better chance of success against bigger clubs, money is still against them, but the divide is smaller.

[Guest JTS98]

1 minute ago, Romeo said:

1) So you think anyone who competes in any sport should be given the same prize money regardless of where they finish?

2) If Andy Murray gets more prize money he can afford a better trainer, training facilities, physios and the like. This would give him more of an advantage as his resource advantage would have increased?

1) In team sports, certainly, yes I do. As I said above, anything else is simply against the spirit of sport. It's a Tory-style might is right version of sport. I don't see how anyone can disagree with that. Prize money in team sports damages competition. I don't see how that can be disputed. Especially considering the set-up currently already rewards wealth. Leagues are, to a great degree, simply spending competitions.

2) Yes, but not in the same manner as in a team sport. He can hire a more expensive coach and have better physio etc, but he can't hire another player of similar ability to play in low-key games he would rather rest for when he's carrying an injury, allowing him to still beat a more lowly opponent. He can't spend a fortune bringing in someone else to do his serving for him. He can't buy another player's backhand. It's simply not comparing like with like.