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[Morton Supporter]

Just now, Sergeant Wilson said:

The road to Help is paved with good intentions.

Eg, a club, let's call them Morton, sell 1000 subscriptions and get a team together. The team turns out to be shite and are stone bottom after 5 games. 500 subscribers chuck it. Morton are now losing money big time. 

How is this situation recovered?

Yes, and that’s not to mention the fact that, even if you’re a good side, many of your fans will happily pass on paying to see you drub one of the sides which is full of ringers and boys as those some clubs will decide not to take the risk in putting together a semi-competitive team.

[Alert Mongoose]

I wonder if allowing clubs to sell alcohol once the restrictions are lifted might be used as a way of generating some extra income towards paying off the debts accrued.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Alert Mongoose

[Sergeant Wilson]

2 minutes ago, Alert Mongoose said:

I wonder if allowing clubs to sell alcohol once the restrictions are lifted might be allowed as a way of some of the debts accrued.

Aye, pishy lager in a plastic cup at £4 a pop is the solution. I don't want to sound negative (I do really)

[Derry Alli]

5 minutes ago, Alert Mongoose said:

I wonder if allowing clubs to sell alcohol once the restrictions are lifted might be used as a way of generating some extra income towards paying off the debts accrued.

If no I am willing to put my laptop camera on and for £5 an hour show me in closed door live steaming

[Sergeant Wilson]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said:

If no I am willing to put my laptop camera on and for £5 an hour show me in closed door live steaming

I'll pay £10 if you don't take your balance medication.

[Alert Mongoose]

18 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Aye, pishy lager in a plastic cup at £4 a pop is the solution. I don't want to sound negative (I do really)

There will be a pretty good margin on that.

[johnnydun]

24 minutes ago, Morton Supporter said:

I genuinely think if clubs simply said to supporters, “we have no right to ask, but please could consider donating to us to help us through the current circumstances” it would raise roughly the same revenue as this hair-brained idea of streaming matches.

And that’s without mentioning the avoided costs of player contracts, virus testing, and the whole host of other commitments that clubs would avoid.

No it wouldn't, you just have to look at the amount on here that are not willing to dip into their pockets for something in return.

'Watch us live and support the club!' 

"How much? £15? f**k that!"

'Give us money for nothing'

"Haud me back! Where do I sign?"

[bendan]

48 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Yes, and the only thing that prevents the hideous imbalance in our game from being even mote grotesque, is that when 3,000 Celtic fans go to Perth, at least St Johnstone get money from them.  By your logic, Celtic would get the money for that too.

Call me old fashioned, but I don't see that helping with the lop sided nature of Scottish football.

No, the St Johnstone v Celtic games would be on Sky. I don't think Sky are going to allow their matches to be streamed on club channels in the UK.

 

[Morton Supporter]

7 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

No it wouldn't, you just have to look at the amount on here that are not willing to dip into their pockets for something in return.

'Watch us live and support the club!' 

"How much? £15? f**k that!"

'Give us money for nothing'

"Haud me back! Where do I sign?"

The point being you’ll get very little uptake in either scenario, certainly not the kind of revenue that should give clubs comfort.

I’m by no means the smartest person around, but I’m astonished that could possibly think this streaming idea is viable.

Year on year Scottish clubs have been cutting their budgets - and that was in times of BAU, and with crowds broadly on the uptick.

Think about what will happen if clubs start a season without crowds and their income falls off a cliff edge.

Clubs will have to decide whether to risk sinking what little budget they have on contracts for established players in the hope of being competitive or field a side of ringers/boys to minimise their costs.

The result would be a farce of a league, played in front of plastic seats. Think finishing the current season was a minefield - try promoting or relegating clubs in those circumstances.

It’s far far better just to wait this out, no matter how much some of us might miss seeing games or how much sympathy we might have for the players who will lose their jobs.

[Monkey Tennis]

1 minute ago, bendan said:

No, the St Johnstone v Celtic games would be on Sky. I don't think Sky are going to allow their matches to be streamed on club channels in the UK.

 

Sweet Jesus!

Substitute Alloa and Hearts for St Johnstone and Celtic then.  The point stands.

[Derry Alli]

34 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

I'll pay £10 if you don't take your balance medication.

£10 gets you access to my onlyfans where I take 2 viagra and show you what time of day it is. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

Just now, Mr. Alli said:

£10 gets you access to my onlyfans where I take 2 viagra and show you what time of day it is. 

I'm in, I want a season ticket with 001 on it. It'll be collector's item that I'll donate to the museum at Hampden.

[bendan]

2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Sweet Jesus!

Substitute Alloa and Hearts for St Johnstone and Celtic then.  The point stands.

I'm sure they could work some kind of per subscriber fee for away game access, if in fact away games were included at all.

At the end of the day, we're probably talking about a single season where emergency measures are needed.

[Morton Supporter]

28 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

No it wouldn't, you just have to look at the amount on here that are not willing to dip into their pockets for something in return.

'Watch us live and support the club!' 

"How much? £15? f**k that!"

'Give us money for nothing'

"Haud me back! Where do I sign?"

And I still maintain you’ll have roughly the same number of folk willing to donate money to their club ‘for nothing’ as you will the stream subscribers.

If Morton asked me tomorrow to consider either giving them £20/month ‘for nothing’, or to renew my season ticket for £250, including a steaming token for  each game I couldn’t make, I’d go with the former every time.

I know where I stand with the “donation” and I can always cancel that standing order if I feel I need or want to.
 

But I have no interest in speculating money when I don’t know when, if at all, I’ll get into Cappielow next season; what sort of format the league will take; whether the clubs have the capacity to stream the games I can’t attend at a couple of months’ notice; and severely doubting that current circumstances are going to bring about a competitive league - two established Championship teams have just released dozens of players ffs!

And I suspect I’m not alone in that.

[Monkey Tennis]

5 minutes ago, bendan said:

I'm sure they could work some kind of per subscriber fee for away game access, if in fact away games were included at all.

At the end of the day, we're probably talking about a single season where emergency measures are needed.

And you see a constructive way of addressing the financial perils we now face, as letting every supporter pledge their 'admission' money to their team of choice, regardless of where the game is staged.

Aye, ok.  Good thinking.

[johnnydun]

4 minutes ago, Morton Supporter said:

The point being you’ll get very little uptake in either scenario, certainly not the kind of revenue that should give clubs comfort.

I’m by no means the smartest person around, but I’m astonished that could possibly think this streaming idea is viable.

Year on year Scottish clubs have been cutting their budgets - and that was in times of BAU, and with crowds broadly on the uptick.

Think about what will happen if clubs start a season without crowds and their income falls off a cliff edge.

Clubs will have to decide whether to risk sinking what little budget they have on contracts for established players in the hope of being competitive or field a side of ringers/boys to minimise their costs.

The result would be a farce of a league, played in front of plastic seats. Think finishing the current season was a minefield - try promoting or relegating clubs in those circumstances.

It’s far far better just to wait this out, no matter how much some of us might miss seeing games or how much sympathy we might have for the players who will lose their jobs.

I totally understand you and the other guys side of the argument, the majority against this idea support (and this is not a dig) less supported clubs than my own, I just think the away support you would receive would be higher that what it is now.

You say the uptake wouldn't be enough.

Just shy of 80% on here would be willing to do it.

[Monkey Tennis]

1 minute ago, johnnydun said:

Just shy of 80% on here would be willing to do it.

Come on now.  You've already acknowledged that we're nothing like typical.

Even if we grant this poll some relevance though, the alarming bit is that two thirds think it's "worth a try" or "needs tried out".  

Sorry, but my outlook involves treating my club and its existence with more care.  Do Dundee fans really not yet share such an approach?

[johnnydun]

2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Come on now.  You've already acknowledged that we're nothing like typical.

Even if we grant this poll some relevance though, the alarming bit is that two thirds think it's "worth a try" or "needs tried out".  

Sorry, but my outlook involves treating my club and its existence with more care.  Do Dundee fans really not yet share such an approach?

I know, but I bet nowhere near 80% on here are season ticket holders either, who you would imagine would also watch a stream, then there's the 1000's of expat championship fans who would also watch, imo.

Nah, the years of mad cap chairmen and spending beyond our means has an affect.

[DA Baracus]

1 hour ago, Alert Mongoose said:

I wonder if allowing clubs to sell alcohol once the restrictions are lifted might be used as a way of generating some extra income towards paying off the debts accrued.

You make it sound like clubs are just choosing not to sell alcohol at the moment.

Clubs can't sell it inside the ground during games. It's illegal.

Edited May 24, 2020 by DA Baracus

[parsforlife]

9 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

then there's the 1000's of expat championship fans who would also watch, imo..

The ex-pats who currently have access to streams, and don’t use them to anything like you suggest?