doulikefish Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 Could be the end of Erdogan today...could be interesting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 6 hours ago, doulikefish said: Could be the end of Erdogan today...could be interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 7 hours ago, doulikefish said: Could be the end of Erdogan today...could be interesting Careful now, you’ll get our resident contrarian experts on everything piling on to say how great a guy Erdogan is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 8 hours ago, doulikefish said: Could be the end of Erdogan today...could be interesting Fingers-crossed. Just realised I've been pronouncing his name wrong all along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Fingers-crossed. Just realised I've been pronouncing his name wrong all along. If only he would do one! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 What's a good TLDR of both candidates so I can decide which one is the good guy and which one is the w**k? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RuMoore said: What's a good TLDR of both candidates so I can decide which one is the good guy and which one is the w**k? From about 10 minutes of research, Kilicdaroglu sounds like new Labour/ Lib Dem at best, Ogan is BNP and Erdogan is a w**k (but that’s been obvious for years). Doesn’t sound like there are any good guys. Edited May 14, 2023 by MazzyStar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 (edited) State news has Erdogan ahead whilst private news has it neck and neck so a mixed picture with just over half of the votes counted so far Forgot to mention ( if google translate is correct) at this stage last election Erdogan was sitting at about 67% and ended up at just over 51% so even the state news which currently has him at 51% it's squeaky bum time for him Edited May 14, 2023 by doulikefish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 I think Erdogan started off ok but he's been there too long and the power's gone to his head, made some catastrophic economic decisions and made it easy for builders to ignore regs which has come home to roost big style with the earthquake. There are a couple of documentaries on BBC iplayer on him, only watched the first one. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0d9cf3b/turkey-empire-of-erdogan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, doulikefish said: State news has Erdogan ahead whilst private news has it neck and neck so a mixed picture with just over half of the votes counted so far It's supposed to be illegal to reveal counts before 9pm, should get exit polls then if anyone's doing one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: It's supposed to be illegal to reveal counts before 9pm, should get exit polls then if anyone's doing one. That's Turkish time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, doulikefish said: That's Turkish time Oops. P.S. They ignored their own rules apparently and released them early, though it's 9.30 in Ankara now anyway. Edited May 14, 2023 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 Ince stood down a few days ago after a sex tape emerged involving him that he claims is a deep fake. Somehow his votes still count though. https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/elections/votes-for-turkish-opposition-candidate-ince-valid-despite-withdrawal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 Only affects Turkish language Twitter which none of us will be following but noteworthy. Musk himself replied to this tweet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 2 hours ago, MazzyStar said: From about 10 minutes of research, Kilicdaroglu sounds like new Labour/ Lib Dem at best, Ogan is BNP and Erdogan is a w**k (but that’s been obvious for years). Doesn’t sound like there are any good guys. Indeed. There is no political left in Turkey. I listened to this last night and it goes through the history on why that is. Owing to its geographic location so close to the Soviet Union, Turkey were subject to the strongest Operation Gladio initiatives of all. That created the path for Turkey to continue on as a hyper-chauvinist, barely democratic, perpetual IMF debtor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, FreedomFarter said: Only affects Turkish language Twitter which none of us will be following but noteworthy. Musk himself replied to this tweet. This one? I wonder what voices they've cancelled... P.S. Edited May 14, 2023 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: I think Erdogan started off ok but he's been there too long and the power's gone to his head, made some catastrophic economic decisions and made it easy for builders to ignore regs which has come home to roost big style with the earthquake. There are a couple of documentaries on BBC iplayer on him, only watched the first one. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0d9cf3b/turkey-empire-of-erdogan I've just watched those two episodes and those Boris Johnson-esq water cannons made me shudder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 Erdoğan's last election victory in 2018 was obtained only with the support of MHP, an openly fascist political party in Turkey. That party's founder, Alperslan Türkeş, was trained by USA then installed as head of NATO operations in Turkey. MHP have a paramilitary, the Gray Wolves, which are the biggest fascist organisation in Germany due to their popularity among Turk-Germans. Germany isn't allowed to ban them due to Turkey's status as USA's favoured child within NATO. In neighbouring Austria, not in NATO, the Gray Wolves are banned. Erdoğan gets a great deal of votes from Gray Wolves types in Germany, as any Turkish passport holder is allowed to vote in Turkish elections, even the German grandchildren of Turkish emigrants. It's notable that throughout NATO Europe, all Kurdish or left wing Turkish organisations are banned. Something frustrating in recent years was when anti-China liberals lionised Mesut Özil for his purported solidarity with oppressed Uyghurs in Xinjiang. These folk didn't realise that rather than human rights concern being Özil's primary motive, turanism was. A central tenet to Turkish fascism is turanism (pan-Turkism), created by the afore-mentioned Alperslan Türkeş. The turanists consider Uyghurs of Turkic blood and Xinjiang ("East Turkestan") as Turkish soil. Not that it matters but this is pseudo-historical and pseudo-scientific. "Turkishness" was only passed on by a colonial elite which then influenced culture. Contemporary Turks are biologically the same as Greeks and Armenians. Anyway, Erdoğan was best man at Özil's wedding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: This one? I wonder what voices they've cancelled... P.S. No idea what exactly was being censored. Personally, I'm less interested in the argument Matt Binder is advancing there, how much or how little Musk is for free speech. I'm just interested in whether the Turkish election is effected by media censorship within Turkey. I know Turkey ranks shockingly low for media "freedom" relative to its high economic level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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