SANTAN Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: Er, no. You gave your opinion about three pages ago. ..and every other user who has posted in those three pages has disagreed with this frankly risible belief. If, indeed, it is your belief, and you're not just trying to be edgy. No, the poster below got the initial point I've made, everything after this has been bad faith arguments. 3 hours ago, coprolite said: That's a very fair point, but i think there's a larger percentage that is at least partly motivated by a dislike of dark skin or foreign types. 3 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: I think we all know that's not going to happen anytime soon. I was just about to start The Light Fantastic as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: So who gets to define a racist attack, then? (A clue - there is a legally tested answer to this). The laws in place cover that surely? Booing people taking the knee wouldn't fall foul of legislation as far as I'm aware. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Stormzy said: No, the poster below got the initial point I've made, everything after this has been bad faith arguments. I was just about to start The Light Fantastic as well. F'kin Hell- it was weeks ago you had the Colour of Magic on the go! What's wrong with you, man! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Stormzy said: The laws in place cover that surely? Booing people taking the knee wouldn't fall foul of legislation as far as I'm aware. According to the Mcpherson Report of 1999(?), A racist attack is one defined by the victim or a third party as being racist. While not legislation, this report has had a major effect on the way that racial aspects of criminal cases are dealt with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Now that Southgate and the players have, on more than one occasion, explicitly stated that this is not a political or ideological protest, but an explicitly anti racist and anti discrimination protest, there's really no need for anyone to leap to the defence of those who continue to boo. The excuses of opposing Marxism or BLM are no longer valid. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Isn't being people unintentially, unconsciously or indirectly racist sort of the whole point of the reinvigorated movement? People are repeatedly told this, and none more so than football fans by current and former footballers. If you continue to boo the knee on the basis of "BuT mArXiSm" then you probably deserve the racist tag. There is quite simply no need to do it and the Marxism thing reeks of, thats a just about passable excuse for me to hide behind when I get pulled for booing the uppity brown people. It’s the street level version of academic bigots clouding their opposition to teaching a more socially conscious curriculum by railing against “critical race theory” which is going to end up as nearly a big a dog whistle as “cultural marxism” was. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Now that Southgate and the players have, on more than one occasion, explicitly stated that this is not a political or ideological protest, but an explicitly anti racist and anti discrimination protest, there's really no need for anyone to leap to the defence of those who continue to boo. The excuses of opposing Marxism or BLM are no longer valid. Surprise bitch (Southgate) it’s all political and ideological 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 We should definitely hype up that we have a striker called Che. Marxism with Scottish characteristics coming down to Wembley to redistribute your crossbars. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Surprise bitch (Southgate) it’s all political and ideological *England 0 v 2 Scotland "I reject your assertion that we weren't prepared. Harry and the lads have been reading theory all week. It was just a world class use of Hegelian dialectics from the young lad Gilmour" "The boys will be doing back to back sessions of Das Kapital before the Czech game" "We go again" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Avon Barksdale said: Now that Southgate and the players have, on more than one occasion, explicitly stated that this is not a political or ideological protest, but an explicitly anti racist and anti discrimination protest, there's really no need for anyone to leap to the defence of those who continue to boo. The excuses of opposing Marxism or BLM are no longer valid. Do you think Southgate stating it's not political and ideological will change the opinion of those that already believe it is political and ideological? ..I of course don't think it is but it's similar to how people can lie without knowing they're doing so, if these people, however incorrect they may be, believe that it is political and ideological can you fairly say they're being racist for booing when in their mind they're booing something they view as political and ideological? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Avon Barksdale said: *England 0 v 2 Scotland "I reject your assertion that we weren't prepared. Harry and the lads have been reading theory all week. It was just a world class use of Hegelian dialectics from the young lad Gilmour" "The boys will be doing back to back sessions of Das Kapital before the Czech game" "We go again" The result was determined by the material condition of the pitch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 The reaction will be some laugh if the England players take the knee during GSTQ on Sunday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 On a more serious note the jury in the Dalian Atkinson homicide have been told today that the police are not trained to kick people in the head. Glad that's cleared up. This case pretty much shows the difference between here and the USA. Reporting restrictions on live investigations and trials mean any incident like this is completely defused as volatile topic. If a famous black sportsman was killed under the same circumstances in the USA it would be global news. Here it is illegal to talk about it in any detail at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Admitted troll Stormy taking yet another contrary view?! I am shocked. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 minute ago, DA Baracus said: Admitted troll Stormy taking yet another contrary view?! I am shocked. "Admitted troll" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 32 minutes ago, Stormzy said: Do you think Southgate stating it's not political and ideological will change the opinion of those that already believe it is political and ideological? ..I of course don't think it is but it's similar to how people can lie without knowing they're doing so, if these people, however incorrect they may be, believe that it is political and ideological can you fairly say they're being racist for booing when in their mind they're booing something they view as political and ideological? Do you genuinely believe that these people genuinely believe that Gareth Southgate is a Marxist ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Avon Barksdale said: Do you genuinely believe that these people genuinely believe that Gareth Southgate is a Marxist ? I don't think they know what one is and they use it as an interchangeable term to mean lefty/socialist. I think they think the process of taking the knee is "political marxist shit" no matter what their opinion on Southgate is. Perhaps if all of the black players came out and said they thought it was racist to boo them taking the knee and explained how it personally made them feel then that would have more of an impact for some than Southgate, man wears a waste coat anyway, I can't see him getting through to the lower IQ sorta fan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Stormzy said: I don't think they know what one is and they use it as an interchangeable term to mean lefty/socialist. I think they think the process of taking the knee is "political marxist shit" no matter what their opinion on Southgate is. Perhaps if all of the black players came out and said they thought it was racist to boo them taking the knee and explained how it personally made them feel then that would have more of an impact for some than Southgate, man wears a waste coat anyway, I can't see him getting through to the lower IQ sorta fan. Then they should just grow up surely? And is it not possible that they are both stupid and racist? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) Not representative of all these people of course but took a quick look through the guy who I initially quoted's twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnjoL20, bleach your eyes after) and definitely a guy with no issues with race at all. No siree Edited June 7, 2021 by Genuine Hibs Fan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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