coprolite Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 minute ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Zeppo Overpriced, impractical shite bought by posers, the Harley Davidson of lighters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, pandarilla said: And let them win? f**k that. Shame the boo boys. Publically point them out. I'm absolutely delighted Southgate has backed his players (although tbf he really didn't have an option. Rashford isn't the type that's going to go away, especially considering the success he's had recently) They're winning at the moment because they can't lose. They're being presented with an anti-racist gesture that they can present as something else. What's needed is a new anti-racist thing, completely free from any reference to any outside movement or political ideology. That's not letting the racists win, that's stopping them taking the piss. Taking the knee is not the only way to express opposition to racism. There's nothing magical about it. A new approach is needed, that's becoming very clear. How long do you want to spend moaning about people booing this? Because it'll just go on, and on, and on. It achieves nothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 They're winning at the moment because they can't lose. They're being presented with an anti-racist gesture that they can present as something else. What's needed is a new anti-racist thing, completely free from any reference to any outside movement or political ideology. That's not letting the racists win, that's stopping them taking the piss. Taking the knee is not the only way to express opposition to racism. There's nothing magical about it. A new approach is needed, that's becoming very clear. How long do you want to spend moaning about people booing this? Because it'll just go on, and on, and on. It achieves nothing.They're not winning. The issue is being discussed in the media constantly, and the discussions never seem to come out in favour of them (who'd have thought it).It's creating an issue - and that's a good thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheJTS98 said: They're winning at the moment because they can't lose. They're being presented with an anti-racist gesture that they can present as something else. What's needed is a new anti-racist thing, completely free from any reference to any outside movement or political ideology. That's not letting the racists win, that's stopping them taking the piss. Taking the knee is not the only way to express opposition to racism. There's nothing magical about it. A new approach is needed, that's becoming very clear. How long do you want to spend moaning about people booing this? Because it'll just go on, and on, and on. It achieves nothing. Not sure how showing oneself up as a racist c**t counts as winning. That said, taking the knee as an organised activity has been pretty tokenistic from the start. It was meant to be a refusal to stand for the anthem. The Euros will be the opportunity to do that. It would be good to not bother afterwards, unless individuals really feel the need. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, pandarilla said: They're not winning. The issue is being discussed in the media constantly, and the discussions never seem to come out in favour of them (who'd have thought it). It's creating an issue - and that's a good thing. The booing is being criticised by people who will always criticise it, the people who boo are defending it and will always defend it. The Marxism line gives them somewhere to go. They can say with a straight face that taking the knee has other connotations they disagree with. I think you seem to be making the gesture more important than the issue. Taking a knee isn't important. An effective strategy for dealing with racism in football is the issue. This isn't working. Nobody is changing their mind. 1 minute ago, coprolite said: Not sure how showing oneself up as a racist c**t counts as winning. That said, taking the knee as an organised activity has been pretty tokenistic from the start. It was meant to be a refusal to stand for the anthem. The Euros will be the opportunity to do that. It would be good to not bother afterwards, unless individuals really feel the need. It's winning because they can argue they're not what they really are. For example, nobody can boo a Show Racism The Red Card display without just being obviously and indefensibly racist. With the knee they have an excuse. Just get a new thing. A bit of creativity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, pandarilla said: And let them win? f**k that. This is why taking a knee will go on. If it's stopped now then it will be seen as a win for people booing. In the US, where the kneeling gesture comes from it's never been universal and some players chose not to do it, sometimes standing alone during the anthem while all their team mates and coaches knelt. It seems to be different here in that it's now become an official anti-racism gesture rather than a personal thing. Probably the difference between the US and here is that the national anthem isn't played at every event here so the kneeling itself is a thing rather than something done in reaction to the anthem. f**k knows what will happen in the end. If the booing continues I think they'll have to stop it and a new gesture will take it's place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 As if the racist scumbags have the first clue what Marxism is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 You want to protest racism ? You'll do it in a way I find acceptable you uppity little c**t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 hour ago, TheJTS98 said: The booing is being criticised by people who will always criticise it, the people who boo are defending it and will always defend it. The Marxism line gives them somewhere to go. They can say with a straight face that taking the knee has other connotations they disagree with. I think you seem to be making the gesture more important than the issue. Taking a knee isn't important. An effective strategy for dealing with racism in football is the issue. This isn't working. Nobody is changing their mind. It's winning because they can argue they're not what they really are. For example, nobody can boo a Show Racism The Red Card display without just being obviously and indefensibly racist. With the knee they have an excuse. Just get a new thing. A bit of creativity. Whatever its changed too would instantly been spun in the same way. Racists don't like being called racists, and they will spin their racist actions in any way they can to try and hide it under a different banner. Always felt it would have a bigger impact if it was done on the clock. First 8 seconds of the game. They have the option to start playing but choose protest instead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Saying "it should be replaced with a different anti-racist gesture that has no baggage as no one could object to that" is less waiting for the wallet inspector to come back and more actively seeking out a wallet inspector in a crowd and throwing your wallet at them. It should probably be phased out as an everyday official thing, but not now when it's having an impact and the players want to keep doing it. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Saying "it should be replaced with a different anti-racist gesture that has no baggage as no one could object to that" is less waiting for the wallet inspector to come back and more actively seeking out a wallet inspector in a crowd and throwing your wallet at them. It should probably be phased out as an everyday official thing, but not now when it's having an impact and the players want to keep doing it. It was definitely becoming run of the mill and tokenstic - until now. The fact that the crowds are booing it has given it purpose.It's creating an argument, and i think some folk will be changing their mind. This issue is highlighting to them, and that's always a good thing. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, parsforlife said: Whatever its changed too would instantly been spun in the same way. I just don't think that's true. Has anybody from the far right ever run a campaign against Show Racism The Red Card? I missed it if so. How hard can it be for fitba to put its heads together and come up with something new and high-profile? Of course the players 'want' to keep doing it. There's an appetite for an anti-racist message. That's good, but this one isn't working. And, as I mentioned before, there's nothing sacred about the gesture itself. It's absolutely fine, in fact smart, to move on from something that isn't working to something else. I don't think this is stimulating a conversation. It's just two camps agreeing with themselves, while the racists pretend it's about communism. I'm not sure what anybody thinks this is achieving in the movement against racism. Edited June 9, 2021 by TheJTS98 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Gammons: I'll support their protests when they do so peacefully! Also gammons: No, not like that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Vacating politics and provocation from your anti-racism gesture is the definition of letting the racists win, imho. Maybe it would have been better for Kaepernick to stop kneeling for the sake of his career but good on him for not caving (at least AFAIK!) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, NotThePars said: Vacating politics and provocation from your anti-racism gesture is the definition of letting the racists win, imho. Maybe it would have been better for Kaepernick to stop kneeling for the sake of his career but good on him for not caving (at least AFAIK!) Kaepernick reached a settlement with the NFL in the lawsuit he brought against them for effectively blacklisting him from the league but it was settled and he withdrew it. Some people saw that as caving but I guess they paid him millions of dollars to withdraw it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Lol wait till the very end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Avon Barksdale said: Lol wait till the very end. Genuinely stunned that England's fans ambassador is a thick wide-boy c**t. I'm only surprised he managed 2+ minutes without throwing some white patio furniture about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 20 hours ago, NotThePars said: Vacating politics and provocation from your anti-racism gesture is the definition of letting the racists win, imho. True, but given that Scottish and English football authorities (backed by UEFA at international level) have engaged in 30 years of pearl-clutching about the importance of keeping 'politics out of the game', the authorities have got a brass neck trying to back up their selected and approved political message against dissent. Anti-racism is rightly a political message in the current climate. This means that it's open season for other political messages and campaigns to link up with football as well though. Including ones that the authorities who prefer a sanitised, 'family friendly' experience inside a crisp-poke rustling all-seater stadium don't like, including far-right nutcases but with any luck also left-wing voices as well. Those involved in football can either pretend that their sport doesn't do politics or they can recognise it as a platform for various political agendas. They can't have it both ways though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 11 hours ago, Avon Barksdale said: Lol wait till the very end. What a fucking idiot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 11 hours ago, Avon Barksdale said: Lol wait till the very end. Why have the England fans, elected I presume, someone thicker than shit to be their representative. I mean he's very representative but you would think they might want someone who can speak in sentences to be their rep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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