Bairnardo Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Actually, you’re wrong. My cousin is a responder and regretfully informed me that it is part of their training. If I leave aside my initial reaction to that, and put the devils advocate hat on, I am not actually sure I have a huge problem with that. I have called 999 once for a person who took ill so not a fast paced emergency with lives at stake... The amount of information that they wanted off me beyond "this lads keeled over, heres where to send help" kind of blew me away. They absolutely grilled me. As information gatherers, I dont think I have an issue with it. I would have an issue with the trigger finger being adjusted based on it, but I dont think have issue with the extraction of every bit of information available to pass on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Good to see you've taken a firm position on this important matter.What are you saying? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, Tutankhamen said: Glasgow 1968 Easter weekend, 268 reported stabbings at Glasgow hospitals. Belfast zero Did you have Glasgow on your coupon? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Bairnardo said: 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Good to see you've taken a firm position on this important matter. What are you saying? Not sure tbh, carry on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: If I leave aside my initial reaction to that, and put the devils advocate hat on, I am not actually sure I have a huge problem with that. I have called 999 once for a person who took ill so not a fast paced emergency with lives at stake... The amount of information that they wanted off me beyond "this lads keeled over, heres where to send help" kind of blew me away. They absolutely grilled me. As information gatherers, I dont think I have an issue with it. I would have an issue with the trigger finger being adjusted based on it, but I dont think have issue with the extraction of every bit of information available to pass on. Got to agree with the above I think. If the police are looking for a suspect who’s armed and attempting to murder people, any information that would help narrow down who they are looking for should be requested. As you say, if that then influences how they tackle something then it’s obviously a disgrace, but the information request isn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Zen Archer Esq. said: Did you have Glasgow on your coupon? Got a tip off the Mad Spaniard from the Maryhill Fleet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 41 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: In this day and age, someone indiscriminately knifing folk in a city centre is getting shot. Theres no ifs or buts about it. Theres not enough info available to the police fast enough in that scenario for them to be sure there arent lots of lives at risk, be it through willingness to die for the cause, or in worst case, a suicide bomb. I dont think all police should be armed, but I dont think theres a choice for the armed lads in this type of scene. Happy to be proved wrong as details emerge but unfortunately, one of the 'successes" of theis type of terrorism is that it puts people on edge because it can happen anywhere with no notice. No police force are going to try and talk that situation down anymore. ETA of course the whole response must be fully investigated but if the Police thought he was going to get even one more dig at a victim he had already hit or get to someone else then shooting him is ok with me. His life for an innocent bystander is a fair trade. Looks like your mind is actually made up about what this was. And presumably, your bit about ' course, there has to be an investigation....' is just a window dressing to make you sound good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, beefybake said: Looks like your mind is actually made up about what this was. And presumably, your bit about ' course, there has to be an investigation....' is just a window dressing to make you sound good. No, I don't think thats how that post reads at all. The success of terrorists who have perpetrated this kind of terror attack is that it influences the day to day lives, fears and then responses of people. What happened with this incident is likely to have been hugely influenced by the absolute fear now instilled in this country by previous attacks of this nature. That's what they are going for. This one appears to show it has worked. The police have had to change the way they respond because of the very real fear we have as a society. Well done on blatantly missing my point. I quite clearly have not speculated on the motives of this attacker I have only correctly pointed out that knife spree attacks are a fairly new and effective technique for terrorists. Edited June 27, 2020 by Bairnardo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Mark Connolly said: No it's not. http://www.woodsideonline.org.uk/heritage/major-incidents/holyrood-crescent-shooting/ I don't remember any of that and it must have been headline news at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyzone Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 I stand corrected then, that is shocking.If armed police are being sent to an incident to tackle a knife carrying bad guy it's pretty important that they know exactly who they are looking for and what he looks like. Clothing and ethnicity are crucial descriptors. So asking about the suspect's race/colour is probably not as shocking as you may think. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 6 hours ago, MONKMAN said: It’s the first time the police have ever shot and killed someone on the streets of Scotland. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12728044.police-marksman-tells-of-shotgun-encounter/ Probably a few more than that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, energyzone said: 52 minutes ago, Perkin Flump said: I stand corrected then, that is shocking. If armed police are being sent to an incident to tackle a knife carrying bad guy it's pretty important that they know exactly who they are looking for and what he looks like. Clothing and ethnicity are crucial descriptors. So asking about the suspect's race/colour is probably not as shocking as you may think. I am probably naive but I tend to concentrate on the mad knifeperson part, wouldn't really give a crap about their ethnicity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner-to-Saint Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Bonksy+HisChristianParade said: No mate, what’s happened is that the emergency call has gone in and the responder has asked the crucial question ‘what colour is the attacker?’. After learning that the attacker is, in fact, non-white, he has hit the ‘send armed response unit’ button as opposed to the ‘send social services’ one. It’s clear as day. ACAB I can't tell whether this is satire or not, anymore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 3 hours ago, D.A.F.C said: Probably also gives them an out if someone dies as well. Big boy told me to do it. Not saying they shouldn't have shot him dead better that than him stabbing someone else. Tbf you can drastically reduce your chances of being shot dead by the police by just not stabbing f**k out of people... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyzone Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 I am probably naive but I tend to concentrate on the mad knifeperson part, wouldn't really give a crap about their ethnicity.I think that is naive. You'd want to know everything you can about him - height, build, clothing, colour, so that you can be sure you have the right person when the confrontation arrives. If he's disposed of, or hidden the knife within his clothing for example, then all those descriptors are vital. You can't rely on him swinging the blade around when you arrive for identification. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Joe Terrapin said: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12743672.man-shot-by-police-after-siege-was-drinking-heavily/ At least one more I can think of, or was this a question? I was just going by the copper on the telly who said it’s the first time someone had been shot dead by the police on the streets of Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Perkin Flump said: No responder would ever ask that question. ETA: I stand corrected. Edited June 27, 2020 by Jacksgranda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Ross. said: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12728044.police-marksman-tells-of-shotgun-encounter/ Probably a few more than that. There was a few questions asked the Clydebank story at the time. Like was the guy surrendering and the cops shot him anyway. Edited June 27, 2020 by Tutankhamen Eff the SFA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, energyzone said: 17 minutes ago, Perkin Flump said: I am probably naive but I tend to concentrate on the mad knifeperson part, wouldn't really give a crap about their ethnicity. I think that is naive. You'd want to know everything you can about him - height, build, clothing, colour, so that you can be sure you have the right person when the confrontation arrives. If he's disposed of, or hidden the knife within his clothing for example, then all those descriptors are vital. You can't rely on him swinging the blade around when you arrive for identification. Now I think about it, that is correct, every time we have a robbery we always rely on immediate identifiers, bit thick of me, I blame the vodka. I was just concentrating on the negative connotations 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: I was just going by the copper on the telly who said it’s the first time someone had been shot dead by the police on the streets of Scotland. Kay Street shoot out in the 1960s were the detective shot the suspect dead through the letter box. Edited June 27, 2020 by Tutankhamen Eff the SFA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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