BigDoddyKane Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Mr Waldo said: Jess De Wahls, an artist from East Germany, who I assume will know a thing or two about censorship, is cancelled by the Royal Academy because 8 people complained about her views. Wonder if they called her a 'Fascist'? Yeomi Park, a defector to USA from North Korea, who will know a few things, criticises a US university on teaching people what to think, not how to think and how Jane Ausin is evil! I read that about the artist from east Germany, unless something was missing. I dont really see why they "cancelled" her. Seemed a bit harsh Edited June 21, 2021 by BigDoddyKane 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, BigDoddyKane said: I read that about the artist from east Germany, unless something was missing. I dont really see why they "cancelled" her. Seemed a bit harsh Completely wrong. She merely said that she believed in biological sex. Apparently, this upset some snowflakes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 I thought for a moment biological sex was shagging a packet of Aerial. That would upset me, if not itch a bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arabdownunder Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 10 hours ago, BigDoddyKane said: I read that about the artist from east Germany, unless something was missing. I dont really see why they "cancelled" her. Seemed a bit harsh She would have been a small child in 1989. The "from East Germany" patter is a Daily Mail talking point to try and draw some equivalence between "cancel culture" and the Stasi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Arabdownunder said: She would have been a small child in 1989. The "from East Germany" patter is a Daily Mail talking point to try and draw some equivalence between "cancel culture" and the Stasi While I completely agree, I work with a couple of guys who are of similar age and grew up in what would have been East Germany, and I think there is a noticeable mentality difference when compared to my colleagues from the rest of Germany. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 'Cancel culture' is just another right-wing trope designed to stifle....ironically.....free speech. As is the ridiculous term, 'woke'. (TM The Telegraph). Let's be honest about what is going on in the UK. There is a sustained and long term attack from the right-wing media, and backed up now apparently officially by the Tory government, to challenge values that they detest. Diversity, liberalism, progressive values. Generally all of these things and more have been in the sights of the right wing for decades now. Brexit....which was a culture war and nothing to do with economics...opened the door that these people have been waiting for. The straw man used constantly by the right wing is 'freedom of speech'. They'll take isolated extreme examples of what they call 'cancel culture', exaggerate them out of all proportion, and use them to inflame the lowest common denominator in UK society. The aim of the right wing is not to have 'freedom of speech'. It's all about stamping down and silencing anything and anyone who does not represent their poisonous right wing values and aims. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Yeah, coz she never spoke to her family about their lives growing up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said: 'Cancel culture' is just another right-wing trope designed to stifle....ironically.....free speech. As is the ridiculous term, 'woke'. (TM The Telegraph). Let's be honest about what is going on in the UK. There is a sustained and long term attack from the right-wing media, and backed up now apparently officially by the Tory government, to challenge values that they detest. Diversity, liberalism, progressive values. Generally all of these things and more have been in the sights of the right wing for decades now. Brexit....which was a culture war and nothing to do with economics...opened the door that these people have been waiting for. The straw man used constantly by the right wing is 'freedom of speech'. They'll take isolated extreme examples of what they call 'cancel culture', exaggerate them out of all proportion, and use them to inflame the lowest common denominator in UK society. The aim of the right wing is not to have 'freedom of speech'. It's all about stamping down and silencing anything and anyone who does not represent their poisonous right wing values and aims. It's simply a smokescreen for the government sleepwalking us towards right wing authoritarianism, which is now pretty constant. See the below: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jun/21/tory-mps-accused-of-adding-fuel-to-culture-war-in-education-report?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other That some choose to concentrate on an art gallery gift shop not stocking someone's prints anymore, or someone complaining that they were asked to use people's preferred pronouns at University, which is what our two most recently cited examples of cancel culture actually consist of, is not something which should be taken seriously. Edited June 22, 2021 by Genuine Hibs Fan 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: It's simply a smokescreen for the government sleepwalking us towards right wing authoritarianism, which is now pretty constant. See the below: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jun/21/tory-mps-accused-of-adding-fuel-to-culture-war-in-education-report?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other That some choose to concentrate on an art gallery gift shop not stocking someone's prints anymore, or someone complaining that they were asked to use people's preferred pronouns at University, which is what our two most recently cited examples of cancel culture actually consist of, is not something which should be taken seriously. You're absolutely correct to say that this is a smokescreen for right wing authoritarianism, and the examples you give are ridiculous. However, they're all part of the insiduous campain to appeal to the lowest common deniminator in UK society, to paint diversity and liberalism as 'extreme', and to silence progressive voices. Look at what see in the British media on a daily basis....constant attacks on organisations or people that do not fit into this right wing mindset. The BBC, universities, Nicola Sturgeon, sporting organisations, civil rights groups, charities, and more. The right wing press are developing phrases....cancel culture, woke etc.....that are designed to make these people and organisations into the enemies of 'normal' British people. The narrative is constantly being pushed that diversity and progressivism is 'anti British'. That it's extreme. That it holds the country back. And the most ridiculous one of all, that diversity and progressivism 'stifle free speech'.....despite the right wing owning most of the UK print media, and despite a right wing narrative being pushed down our throats for decades now. This narrative has always been there, but this is the first time in history that the UK has a government that encourages regressive, backward, inward looking, pseudo far-right thinking. It's a very dangerous time for the country, and we shouldn't think that it's just going to go away. Brexit was a cultural vote....anti immigration mainly, but it's opened the door to those who have been desperate for years to wipe the words diversity and progression from the English language. We should all be taking this seriously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 Interesting article about the subject, around a controversy that I don’t remember from the time https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/22543858/isabel-fall-attack-helicopter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 22/06/2021 at 08:42, Ross. said: While I completely agree, I work with a couple of guys who are of similar age and grew up in what would have been East Germany, and I think there is a noticeable mentality difference when compared to my colleagues from the rest of Germany. Have you got the opposite of a lisp? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) Twitter used to be good but it’s now a huge chasm of toxicity. It’s a net negative effect on humanity. Normal people should spend a maximum of 10 minutes per day on it, or better yet avoid it completely. Edited June 30, 2021 by Theroadlesstravelled 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Ricky Gervais, one man proof that money can't buy you happiness, with an inevitable interjection in the cancel culture debate. I don't even know what he means here, scratching my head to think what "offensive" material is in the office that is out of bounds compared to things still being made today. He made a show where he played his idea of a disabled person, and an actual David Brent movie where he's obsessed with saying the N word, in recent years! What a guy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: Ricky Gervais, one man proof that money can't buy you happiness, with an inevitable interjection in the cancel culture debate. I don't even know what he means here, scratching my head to think what "offensive" material is in the office that is out of bounds compared to things still being made today. He made a show where he played his idea of a disabled person, and an actual David Brent movie where he's obsessed with saying the N word, in recent years! What a guy Except he was joking... Mainly because it is still being shown, primarily on Netflix. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Just now, 101 said: Except he was joking... Mainly because it is still being shown, primarily on Netflix. Is he? Being reported as news, and is the least surprising thing Ricky Gervais would seriously say. He's not saying it's been cancelled, but that it would not get made today. Two different things, both hard to justify 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: Is he? Being reported as news, and is the least surprising thing Ricky Gervais would seriously say. He's not saying it's been cancelled, but that it would not get made today. Two different things, both hard to justify Click bait news for you mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BlueBear Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 22/06/2021 at 15:36, Bob Mahelp said: You're absolutely correct to say that this is a smokescreen for right wing authoritarianism, and the examples you give are ridiculous. However, they're all part of the insiduous campain to appeal to the lowest common deniminator in UK society, to paint diversity and liberalism as 'extreme', and to silence progressive voices. Look at what see in the British media on a daily basis....constant attacks on organisations or people that do not fit into this right wing mindset. The BBC, universities, Nicola Sturgeon, sporting organisations, civil rights groups, charities, and more. The right wing press are developing phrases....cancel culture, woke etc.....that are designed to make these people and organisations into the enemies of 'normal' British people. The narrative is constantly being pushed that diversity and progressivism is 'anti British'. That it's extreme. That it holds the country back. And the most ridiculous one of all, that diversity and progressivism 'stifle free speech'.....despite the right wing owning most of the UK print media, and despite a right wing narrative being pushed down our throats for decades now. This narrative has always been there, but this is the first time in history that the UK has a government that encourages regressive, backward, inward looking, pseudo far-right thinking. It's a very dangerous time for the country, and we shouldn't think that it's just going to go away. Brexit was a cultural vote....anti immigration mainly, but it's opened the door to those who have been desperate for years to wipe the words diversity and progression from the English language. We should all be taking this seriously. Pardon my thickness, but are you inferring wokeness/cancel culture originates from the right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 minute ago, 101 said: Click bait news for you mate. 1 minute ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Fair enough! Should've known, pretty much the same thing happened with AbFab of all things recently when they'd said no such thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 11 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: Fair enough! Should've known, pretty much the same thing happened with AbFab of all things recently when they'd said no such thing. It’s still a fair point to remind us all that Ricky Gervais is a complete walloper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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