Bogbrush1903 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: I'm not being funny or argumentative, but, of course you thought that. You're an Aberdeen fan and that's the coping mechanism more or less any time Hearts finish third. And the glorious thing about it, for all of us, is that we can all say that any time we like and it'll be partly true. Because of course a club's success is helped by rivals failing. Would Aberdeen have finished third this year if Hearts hadn't fucked up the January window? Last season Hearts finished with more points than Aberdeen will get this season despite putting the tools away with five games to go, and made it to a cup final. It was an impressive season any way you look at it. But we all see things through the prism of our own teams, so you focus on a side who finished tenth and were never in the discussion for a European place. That's just what fitba fans do. We're all the same. Hearts finished 3rd last season with Hibs and Aberdeen in the bottom six. Everything being equal, who would expect Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts to be the main challengers for 3rd to 5th. If two of the three clubs are having awful seasons then it should, in theory, make it easier for the third club. Some Hearts fans, like you, seemed to think it was the beginning of some kind of sustained period of third force dominance. The more canny observers thought that unlikely, and that either Aberdeen or Hibs or both would improve. Although, to be fair, I wasn't one of those canny observers because we still had Goodwin in charge and Hibs had that irritating little Englishman. Edited May 25, 2023 by Bogbrush1903 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 I've just discovered that Bill Crombie, who refereed the 1986 Kidd match at Dens Park was in fact a known Hearts supporter from Edinburgh! How the hell did that happen and Inverurie whistler Sandy Roy was never allowed any competitive Aberdeen match? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 9 hours ago, Mr. X said: The weird thing is Hearts have won the majority of the head to head games between the teams over the last eleven seasons. Aberdeen obviously more consistent against the shite. That can't be right if you've won the head to heads... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarleyQuinn Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 7 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said: Hearts finished 3rd last season with Hibs and Aberdeen in the bottom six. Everything being equal, who would expect Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts to be the main challengers for 3rd to 5th. If two of the three clubs are having awful seasons then it should, in theory, make it easier for the third club. Some Hearts fans, like you, seemed to think it was the beginning of some kind of sustained period of third force dominance. The more canny observers thought that unlikely, and that either Aberdeen or Hibs or both would improve. Although, to be fair, I wasn't one of those canny observers because we still had Goodwin in charge and Hibs had that irritating little Englishman. Back in February, one Hearts fan (twitter link below) claiming they were going to win the league and that Robbie Neilson was the best manager since Sir Alex Ferguson. https://twitter.com/Football_Scot/status/1620862979381284866?lang=en 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squonk Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 To summarise the above: When calculating how superior Aberdeen are over Hearts, ignore last season when the dons were abysmal and finished a lowly and embarrassing 10th. The early part of this season, when the dons were regularly on the receiving end of five and six goal humpings, along with the marvel of Darvel must also be airbrushed out of the picture as irrelevant, otherwise it will distort Aberdeen's supremacy. When calculating Hearts superiority over the dons, only take account of the first few games of the season, before European football and injuries decimated the squad. Am I doing this right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 7 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said: Hearts finished 3rd last season with Hibs and Aberdeen in the bottom six. Everything being equal, who would expect Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts to be the main challengers for 3rd to 5th. If two of the three clubs are having awful seasons then it should, in theory, make it easier for the third club. Some Hearts fans, like you, seemed to think it was the beginning of some kind of sustained period of third force dominance. The more canny observers thought that unlikely, and that either Aberdeen or Hibs or both would improve. Although, to be fair, I wasn't one of those canny observers because we still had Goodwin in charge and Hibs had that irritating little Englishman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarleyQuinn Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, Squonk said: To summarise the above: When calculating how superior Aberdeen are over Hearts, ignore last season when the dons were abysmal and finished a lowly and embarrassing 10th. The early part of this season, when the dons were regularly on the receiving end of five and six goal humpings, along with the marvel of Darvel must also be airbrushed out of the picture as irrelevant, otherwise it will distort Aberdeen's supremacy. When calculating Hearts superiority over the dons, only take account of the first few games of the season, before European football and injuries decimated the squad. Am I doing this right? You forget to mention Hearts have only finished once above Aberdeen in the last 11 seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squonk Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 minute ago, HarleyQuinn said: You forget to mention Hearts have only finished once above Aberdeen in the last 11 seasons. I'm not taking sides pal, I'm just trying to illustrate that fans are partisan and only see what suits them about their club while ignoring what's inconvenient. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, Squonk said: I'm not taking sides pal, I'm just trying to illustrate that fans are partisan and only see what suits them about their club while ignoring what's inconvenient. Maybe because having a serious and objective debate about who is a bigger club is utterly futile and a waste of everyone’s time. Almost like these things aren’t entirely serious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squonk Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Maybe because having a serious and objective debate about who is a bigger club is utterly futile and a waste of everyone’s time. Almost like these things aren’t entirely serious. I totally agree. But mine is still bigger than yours. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 41 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said: Back in February, one Hearts fan (twitter link below) claiming they were going to win the league and that Robbie Neilson was the best manager since Sir Alex Ferguson. https://twitter.com/Football_Scot/status/1620862979381284866?lang=en Dreaming is Free 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said: I've just discovered that Bill Crombie, who refereed the 1986 Kidd match at Dens Park was in fact a known Hearts supporter from Edinburgh! How the hell did that happen and Inverurie whistler Sandy Roy was never allowed any competitive Aberdeen match? Sandy Roy was a known rogue and scoundrel who couldn't be trusted while Bill Crombie, being from Edinburgh, was a man of impeachable honour and integrity I've got no proof of this theory but it does fit the few facts made available to me so it seems a reasonable working hypothesis Edited May 26, 2023 by topcat(The most tip top) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 24 minutes ago, Squonk said: But mine is still bigger than yours. Good grief. It’s not even 9am. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 30 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Maybe because having a serious and objective debate about who is a bigger club is utterly futile and a waste of everyone’s time. Almost like these things aren’t entirely serious. It's not quite as futile a waste of time as people arguing about where Messi or Ronaldo is the GOAT but it's very much in that genre "Bigness" is better represented as a Partially Ordered set https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partially_ordered_set 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 33 minutes ago, Squonk said: But mine is still bigger than yours. It's a bit colder in Aberdeen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, HarleyQuinn said: Back in February, one Hearts fan (twitter link below) claiming they were going to win the league and that Robbie Neilson was the best manager since Sir Alex Ferguson. https://twitter.com/Football_Scot/status/1620862979381284866?lang=en I've never seen that before. Fair sets me up for the day ahead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 I still can't work out why the Hearts player that scored their late equaliser in a game they had to win, went absolutely mental and jumped into the crowd when he should have been trying to get the game restarted to try to get the game won. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Sir Robbie Neilson? Where is his statue located at Tynecastle? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, kingjoey said: I still can't work out why the Hearts player that scored their late equaliser in a game they had to win, went absolutely mental and jumped into the crowd when he should have been trying to get the game restarted to try to get the game won. I was screaming at him to go back at the game, but once it calmed down it was pretty evident there was no more time to play. We were already over the additional time. And given how Kuol's spell has gone, 18, miles from home, not been trusted to play, its hard to grudge him a wee moment. Probably the biggest moment of his club career to date. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, Molotov said: Sir Robbie Neilson? Where is his statue located at Tynecastle? I suggest a wee plaque in the main stand urinals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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