welshbairn Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, dorlomin said: Can you expand a little on your thinking here. Who then poisoned the Skripals, what evidence do you have that the "mainstream media narrative" is wrong? In many other conspiracy theories leading questions are just a cover for evidence free assertions that do not make sense. But perhaps this one is different: you may have something we can all learn from here. Why are you quoting words I didn't write? I don't know who poisoned the Skripals. I do think it's pretty clear that the media narrative that they touched the nerve agent then spent a few hours having lunch and a few drinks before simultaneously collapsing is far fetched. That's not the official narrative though because there isn't one. That article you linked is a seething mess. There are quite a few people pushing the narrative on social media that leftist podcasts are driving some sort of red-brown alliance but funnily enough all the accusers are on payrolls funded by oligarchy think tanks (your 'anarchist' boy is linked to the Ford Foundation). Edited December 4, 2020 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Detournement said: Why are you quoting words I didn't write? Quote I don't know who poisoned the Skripals. I do think it's pretty clear that the media narrative that they touched the nerve agent then spent a few hours having lunch and a few drinks before simultaneously collapsing is far fetched. So its just another case that "jet fuel cannot burn steel beams". I just moved your off topic conspiracy theory post to the thread about conspiracy theories. You can click on the quote and it takes you to where you wrote that word for word. Felt it was more appropriate here. But if you have no evidence, just your guesses about how you imagine nerve agents work then there is not much to discuss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, dorlomin said: So its just another case that "jet fuel cannot burn steel beams". I just moved your off topic conspiracy theory post to the thread about conspiracy theories. You can click on the quote and it takes you to where you wrote that word for word. Felt it was more appropriate here. But if you have no evidence, just your guesses about how you imagine nerve agents work then there is not much to discuss. There is no evidence in the public domain about the movements of Skripals between leaving the house in the morning and going to the pub (I think) 5 hours later. No one has any evidence to back up any sequence of events other than the UK state and they have chosen not to make any details public. There are loads of strange things about this event like the Chief Nurse of the Army happening to be close by when they collapsed, Trump being shown the pictures of dead ducks and Mark Urban going on the telly kidding on he had no idea who Skripals was despite having met him on multiple occasions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 There has also never been any official claim that the two GRU guys went to Skripal's house. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 19:15, Detournement said: Scottish judge refuses to release documents that prove Scottish judges framed Meghari. I am shocked. https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/lockerbie-appeal-high-court-refuses-to-order-recovery-of-secure-documents Bump. https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-expected-to-unseal-charges-against-new-suspect-in-1988-lockerbie-bombing-11608143709? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Print off and keep in your back pockets. HTH. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Print off and keep in your back pockets. HTH. Not sure about this at all. My mattress is firm and was advertised as such. You could argue that it could be firmer but i don't see how it's unequivocally false. Also has anyone actually seen Finland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Where does "Rangers were relegated and didn't die" fit into this pyramid? I've known a few people from Finland, who were all suspiciously nice. Clearly paid actors trying not to bring attention to themselves, and failing miserably by going too far the other way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 What is the Finland one actually all about? Why do people think it doesn’t exist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Honest_Man#1 said: What is the Finland one actually all about? Why do people think it doesn’t exist? The French think it's the end of the world... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Michael Palin was in the pocket of Big Finland back in the Eighties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Print off and keep in your back pockets. HTH. Is Abbie Richards a real person? I have never heard of her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL-FFC Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, MixuFruit said: Thanks I've been looking for that for ages Thing about conspiracy theories is in amongst all of the theories there is always that one bit of truth in them, the trouble is its trying to work out which part in the wider conspiracy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, AL-FFC said: Thing about conspiracy theories is in amongst all of the theories there is always that one bit of truth in them, the trouble is its trying to work out which part in the wider conspiracy. It's fairly easy when you get to the thick end of the triangle. For example, pizza is a foodstuff that exists, there is a planet called Earth, Barack Obama was born, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Print off and keep in your back pockets. HTH. Half of the ones on the top rung have absolutely nothing to do with antisemitism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, craigkillie said: Half of the ones on the top rung have absolutely nothing to do with antisemitism. On the surface I'd agree, but I bet you could very easily find proponents of all of those conspiracy theories who lob some anti-semitism into them somewhere. Flat Earth for example isn't on the face of it anti-semitic but some of the texts refer to the Jews as being responsible for the cover up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, Genuine Hibs Fan said: On the surface I'd agree, but I bet you could very easily find proponents of all of those conspiracy theories who lob some anti-semitism into them somewhere. Flat Earth for example isn't on the face of it anti-semitic but some of the texts refer to the Jews as being responsible for the cover up Plenty of the people who think Global Warming is a hoax also put that down to some big Jewish conspiracy, but that doesn't make the conspiracy theory itself antisemitic, it just means that antisemites (who are generally quite thick) believe in a number of conspiracy theories which are aimed at thick people. They should be separating that out from the likes of Soros, Holocaust Denial, White Genocide and Elders of Zion which are very clearly antisemitic in their very design. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I've read a few interesting articles about how antisemitism is the end goal of most of the thick-end conspiracy theories. It was quite inventive how they start out with outlandish stories about saucer planets and celebrity vampires, before slowly morphing into the old racist tropes about Jews that have been around for centuries. Worst part is, the racists will claim the longevity of said tropes as evidence of their truth. I know that, from an evolutionary perspective, racism was once a necessary part of our survival as a nascent species, but it absolutely boggles the mind that it's still such a common belief. The need to somehow feel superior to others, even if it makes no sense, is a fucking cancer. Those Stirling Albion fans are the worst for it. Fucking scumbags. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Honest_Man#1 said: What is the Finland one actually all about? Why do people think it doesn’t exist? Spoiler Oh God here goes. Well firstly they say that the actual 'place of Finland' is just Eastern Sweden. Helsinki is in Eastern Sweden and when people fly there it's not like they would notice. World maps are altered as it's a U.N conspiracy to keep people believing in Finland. And the idea that an entire country is made up seems so bizarre that nobody would ever believe it, making it easy to do. Finland's main company, Nokia, is apparently owned by the Japanese and they're a main player in this. Now as for 'why' people would want to invent Finland as a country that's a bit more in depth and there's a few reasons as to why Sweden and Russia go along with it but it's mostly to do with Japanese fishing rights. You see the Japanese love their sushi but tight fishing regulations and public outcry mean they can't fish as much as they want. So after the Cold War they agreed with Russia to create a 'landmass' called Finland where they could fish. After all, if people thought there was a country there nobody would expect the Japanese to be harpooning whales would they? The fish is then transported through Russia where a small percentage of the food is given to the population, (they were of course starving at the time of Finland being invented), and then is shipped to Japan under the disguise of 'Nokia' products. Japan is apparently one of the worlds largest importers of Nokia products despite the fact that 'nobody there owns a Nokia phone' apparently. The crux of all this however, and my favourite part, is the homage that the Japanese gave to this entire conspiracy theory. What do fish have? Fins. Therefore they named their imaginary country Finland. There are loads more that they go on about but I can't remember it all at the moment. EDIT: Thanks for the Gold! I'm amazed how big this has gotten, I told my parents and although they don't really understand Reddit they're glad that the 'truths' being put out there for people to make their own decision. Was part of a Reddit post along the lines of "what was something your parents taught you that turned out to be actually insane?" I don't think anyone that's memed it actually believes the conspiracy it's just funny to think about. Edited January 7, 2021 by NotThePars 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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